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Okay, I want to start over, guys. Hello everyone. Welcome to webinar Wednesday. Here at I Rapture, we are passionate
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about serving lives and pouring our passion into supporting your incredible teams in every way possible.
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And one of our favorite ways to do that is through these monthly gatherings with um inspiring pro-life voices that truly
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make a difference. We are absolutely thrilled today to um and honored to have Dr. George Delgado
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with us and as the trailblazing pioneer behind abortion pill reversal.
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He serves as a medical director of the APR network and president of Steno
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Institute. Um, plus he's just released his powerful powerful new book, Abortion
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Pill Reversal: A Second Chance at Choice, which is sure to spark meaningful conversations. Um, to all of
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you tuning in, whether you're familiar face or joining us for the first time, we're so grateful to have you here and
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can't wait to share this time together. Um, if a question pops up during our discussion, if you could either raise
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your hand or put it in the chat, that would be so helpful. And then just keep
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those mics muted until your moment to share. That way we don't have a lot of background noise going on. Um don't
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worry if you miss anything. Um a full replay will be landing in your mailbox
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um by Friday or Monday. Um so anyway, welcome you guys. I'm so glad to see you all here. There's um a
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large group today, so that's really awesome. Um, and we're just gonna pray
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and then we're going to open this up to Dr. Delgado. So, um, let's just go ahead
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and open this time up in prayer. Dear Jesus, we thank you so much for, um,
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your love for each one of us, your, um, the support you give us and the hope
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that we have in you for eternal life. And we pray for these babies that we're
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out there to save. We ask, God, that we can touch the hearts of women. Um, and we thank you for people that stand in
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that gap and find ways to minister to them, to save those babies and those
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lives. And we pray that you would just continue helping us in this work. We thank you, Lord Jesus, and we give this
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time to you that we may be blessed and to learn and um to grow. Thank you in
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Jesus' name. Amen. Okay, Dr. Delgato, we are ready.
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Well, great. Well, thanks so much for having me everybody and thanks for joining us. And today we're going to talk about abortion pill reversal.
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And as you probably are aware, please mute your microphones if you haven't already. If you're probably
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aware, you're probably aware that um these days in the United States, my estimates are that 70% of all abortions
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are chemical abortions. So because of the increased numbers of those abortion
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pill reversal in my mind has become the tip of the spear of the pro-life movement. So, I guess it's very important for those of us who are
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dedicated to saving the lives of the pre-born and also helping save the spiritual lives of their mothers that we
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be very up to date on abortion pill reversal and that we do whatever we can to support abortion pill reversal and to
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make it available to any woman who wants that second chance at choice.
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Now in um in doing so um I decided to write the book abortion pill reversal a
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second chance of choice which is available from ignatious.com you can also find it on our website
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stenoinstitute.org or or um on Amazon in order I wrote it in order to increase
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awareness about abortion pill reversal to spread the message that all of our studies have shown that it's effective,
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it's safe, and that women who are given the opportunity are extremely grateful.
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So, I'd like to do is first go in um a little bit of how I got in involved with
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abortion pill reversal because people often ask me that and it wasn't necessarily a big idea that I had. It
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really abortion pill reversal which is it's really a movement. It's a movement that started when two women in different
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places at different times thousands of miles apart asked two different doctors, Dr. Matthew Harrison and myself if we
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would help them reverse their chemical abortions. And so that's really why it started. It was a cry from help for
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these from these women. My particular first case, I was uh I got a phone call
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one day from Terry Palmquist, a sidewalk counselor in Bakersfield, California.
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And Terry had gotten a phone call from a woman in El Paso, Texas, who was at who had taken methoprista on the first drug
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in the cocktail and wanted to stop her abortion. So Terry called me to see if I
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knew how to help her. I said, ' Terry, I've never heard of anyone stopping a chemical abortion, but let me give this
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some thought. And it was there that the Holy Spirit put two and two together in my mind because I had two related but
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separate knowledge uh banks, you can say. One was that I was very experienced at using progesterone in pregnancy and
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women who have low progesterone levels and are what we call threatening miscarriage or cramping or spotting. And
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those women, you can give progesterone, save the baby and save the pregnancy. And I also knew how mephristone works
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because for some reason God had placed in me a a a robust curiosity about
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meristone even before it was uh released in the US in the year 2000. So I knew exactly how it worked. I know that
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meristone works by blocking the effects of progesterone. And for those of you
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who don't know progesterone the name itself is an acronym progesterational steroid kone proestation. So it's a
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hormone that is absolutely essential for the maintenance of a normal pregnancy. So mephipristone by blocking the effects
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of progesterone causes separation of the wall of the placenta the placenta from
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the wall of the uterus and causing the death of a pre-born baby. So I knew exactly how it worked and I thought to
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myself, well although these women may have normal progesterone levels, their progesterone levels are being made ineffective by this chemical
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mythopristone that is blocking the effects of the progesterone. So I thought maybe if we give them
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supplemental progesterone, raise the progesterone levels, then when the methopristone comes off a receptor,
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there'll be a progesterone molecule ready to take its place and we can out compete the methopressone at the
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receptor site. That was my theory. I came up with a protocol right there on the fly. But then I had another problem
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that was that this patient Aaron was in El Paso, Texas. I was in San Diego a
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thousand miles or more away. So I found a doctor in El Paso, Dr. John Bellakura,
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who had progesterone in the office, had had similar training as as I did in naprochnology and knew how to use
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progesterone and she was willing to use the protocol that I had devised right there that day. So Dr. Bellura treated
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the patient and about two weeks later, I got a a favorable call from her. The baby was still alive. Then I would get
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updates along the way until finally I got the great news that the baby was born at term with no birth defects.
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Everything went very well. So at that point I really wasn't sure of
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course if what I had done had helped the uh the woman save her baby or if it was
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a coincidence because it was just one case. But then people started hearing about this one case and they started
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asking for advice and so I was giving them advice and before we knew it we had a handful of cases around the country.
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That's when I discovered Dr. Harrison's case, which was a year and a half to two years before mine, unbeknownst to me. At
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that point in 2012, I wrote the first article in the peer-reviewed medical literature
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um describing these six cases. Then more people started to hear about it. I knew that we probably ought to get um a
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little better organized because some women weren't finding out about this in time. So, that's when I started the abortion pill reversal network, the
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website abortionpillreversal.com. and started the hotline 1-800 number.
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From there we we grew organically with some with some promotion and by 2018 we
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had published our third article in the medical literature and that one followed over 500 women who had attempted um
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abortion pill reversal showed very good um favorable success rates with our very
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best protocols. We're seeing 64 to 68% success reversals
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and very safe. At that point, we grew so big that we decided in 2018 that we would hand off
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the network to Heartbeat International because they had much more institutional depth. And since then, they they took
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over and have grown it very very well. So that now we know that over 7,000
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babies have been saved by abortion pill reversal. We've helped women in all 50 states and in more than 100 foreign
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countries. I'm one of the medical adviserss for the abortion pill reversal network, not the medical director.
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That's another doctor with with Harpy, Dr. Brent BS. But I am medical director of culture of life family services here
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in San Diego, our local nonprofit um uh community uh clinic as well as the
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president of Steno Institute. Well, some people often ask me what about stories um of women who've who've
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gone through this and and the second part of my book talks about the stories
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and some several women have written in their in the first person have written their own stories and what I want to
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share with you is a story of Cynthia and Jael and and Cynthia and Ja actually each wrote it a separate chapter for the
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book. So we get the story from different perspectives and they were both college students um in their early 20s who
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weren't getting much traction in their lives and then one day Cynthia found out that she was pregnant. She went to her
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family although her and her family and Gael's family were Christian they had
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kind of drifted from their religious roots and their relationship with God had weakened and so all of her family
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including her mother recommended that she have an abortion. her mother even gave her the money to go get the
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abortion. So Cynthia went with Gael, her boyfriend, and the father of the baby.
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She went to the abortion center and there she had a regret even before she
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took the abortion pill. And in fact, she ran out of the room and bolted out to the parking lot, was sobbing and crying
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uncontrollably. And it was there that Gael said that, "Honey, we can do this. We can raise this baby." But for some
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reason she decided she had to follow her initial plan which was to have the abortion. So she marched back into the
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abortion center. She took the meipristone and swallowed it there in the abortion center. She took the
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misproto pills that they put in the little bag and took that home. When she got home she found out that her
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mother had repented of helping her and of giving her the money. And her mother then went to actually went to
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confession. And after completing her confession with her priest, the priest
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said to her, "You know, there's a doctor in town, Dr. Delgado, who can reverse your daughter's abortion if she wants
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to." And so the mother went to the daughter and told her this. And the daughter at
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first was quite reluctant, but eventually she agreed later that day to talk to the priest on the phone. The
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priest gave her my information. She agreed to talk to me. So we started essentially was a series of phone conversations that day on a Saturday.
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where she would ask a lot of questions and then really didn't seem like she was too interested. At one point she even
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hung up the phone on me. Fortunately, she called right back and I said, "Oh,
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hi Cynthia. We must have gotten disconnected, but she said, "No, I hung up on you and she apologized for hanging
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up and eventually she agreed to come into the clinic." By now it was nighttime. So I went with my wife who's a nurse to the
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clinic and her countenance was kind of downcast. She wasn't making good eye
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contact. She had her arms crossed. She didn't really seem like she wanted to engage, but nonetheless, she decided to
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come in. I had her on the table. I put the ultrasound probe on her and as soon as
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she could see the baby and see the heartbeating, she and Jelle started crying immediately. And she decided
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right then that she was going to try to save her baby. It was like a light switch. So, we started progesterone that night and treated her through through
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the first part of the pregnancy. She delivered a healthy baby at term with no
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birth defects, no complications. They named him Christian and Cynthia and Gael then rededicated
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themselves to the Lord and really dove deeply into their Christian faith. I am and had eventually
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Please turn off your microphones. Then eventually they got married and now have
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a couple of other children and have a very beautiful faithful family. So Christian now is about high school
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age and when she was writing the chapter for the book, she left her computer open and
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left it on the table when she went to go do something in the kitchen and Christian happened to wander by and was
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reading what she had written on the computer screen and he said, "Mom, is this about me?" And before she could
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answer, he had a big smile on his face and he said, "I'm a miracle baby." And I
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think that really describes the transformation that that happened in their lives and the
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transformation that I've seen in the lives of so many women and families who've gone through APR. And I write a
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there's a book in the a chapter in the book called would you ban CPR?
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What? And it describes a lot of the opposition we've had to APR. But I make an analogy of APR with CPR.
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CPR of course is cardopulmonary resuscitation and I make the comparison that they both
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are emergency life-saving procedures APR and CPR. CPR however has a much lower likelihood
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of success. We're happy if 10% of the people survive CPR. While APR it's 55%
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or higher. CPR often leaves the patient neurologically compromised. APR, we
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found that the babies have no birth defects and no problems at all with with
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the APR process. And that's because the meta mephristone attacks the placenta,
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not the baby. So the methopristone doesn't cause birth defects. And we know that progesterone has been used safely in pregnancy for over 50 years.
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And CPR only saves one life. However, APR saves the physical life of the pre-born baby and the spiritual life of
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the mother. And we've seen that APR is truly transformative like it was in the lives of Cynthia and Gael. We've seen so
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many cases where women not only dedicate themselves to that saving that baby, but
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they totally changed their lives and they leave much holier, godly, wholesome lives from then on as a result of this
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transformative decision to start APR. So we're really really happy with that part
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of it too that not only are we saving physical lives, we're also saving spiritual lives.
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In the book I also detail in a chapter called David and Goliath how we've been
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persecuted essentially by what I call the medical abortion complex. Medical abortion complex includes American
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College of Obstaricians and Gynecologists, Planned Parenthood, American Medical Association, ACLU,
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a big famous abortionist, all these components who are organized to promote
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abortion and they've in turn have been attacking APR. And I was curious as to why are they so
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so set on attacking APR? If if they really are pro-choice, why are they against a second chance at choice? And
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the answer was really revealed to me when I read an article in an online platform called Slate. And Slate
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interviewed Dr. Daniel Gman who's a big abortion researcher at University of California, San Francisco. And in that
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he said that um if women in these this situation are given progesterone with medical supervision, he doesn't think
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that it's unsafe. And so that's of course what we're doing. we're giving women progesterone
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and we're providing a lot of medical medical supervision, much more than the medical supervision provided by the the
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abortionists. But then he went on to say that he was concerned that if people found out about
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women choosing APR that he would be concerned that they would overestimate the amount of abortion regret that
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occurs. And so I thought, bingo, that answers our question. They know that if you know that some women change their
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minds after starting the chemical abortion process that that blows a huge hole in their narrative that abortion is
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a great good for all women because if it were such a great good why would some women change their minds and want to
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stop their chemical abortions. So I think that that's the real reason they are attacking us that um this this this
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really is is destroying their narrative and their narrative of course is so important for them from an ideological
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standpoint also from a financial standpoint. And we know now we we have a new study
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that uh has been already been approved for publication. It'll be published in the next issue of link quarterly where
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we followed over 750 women who attempted abortion pill reversal there. We found
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very good um um effectiveness of overall 55% uh
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reversal success. And these are women that some of them got doses as low as 200 milligrams. So this is kind of all
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comers along varying different dosage range. And we found the safety was very
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very high that the um complications were very low. Um there were no maternal
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deaths, hospitalizations were less than 1% and bleeding was very low also. Um
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and the the complications were higher in the failed reversals than in the successful reversal. But even in the failed reversals, they were still um
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very very low. So we're very very happy about that. That'll be that'll be coming out very soon. Oh boy.
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So, if you could all please uh mute your microphone. Somebody has a microphone on. That would be great.
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Okay. So, in um So, in summary, um this is where we're
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heading with abortion pill reversal. I've um I've been very happy that the the book has uh so far been very very
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widely acclaimed. Here's the uh the book cover right here. Abortion pill reversal, second chance at choice. I was
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in um Washington for the March for Life and I was part of a press conference with Live Action there. Afterwards, I
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met a reporter who uh does uh who's a White House correspondent. He was very
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interested in it and he asked me for a copy of the book and I inscribed it for him to the White House because he uh
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took that book to the White House. Apparently, there's a room in the White House where reporters can leave books and he left that book in the White
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House. So hopefully someone there will pick it up. We also had a meeting with uh people from um department of HHS and
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they were also interested. I gave uh was able to get a book to the reporter um
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Rachel Campo Stuffy on on Fox News and um and I also traveled to Rome with uh
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my wife and my grandson uh at the end of December and there I was uh very honored
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to be able to meet Pope Leo and to present him a book. So, um, the book is there in Rome, too. It's at the White
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House. Hopefully, a lot of people will will hear more about it. Hopefully, you'll read it and and tell, um, all of
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your contacts about it. And hopefully that if you're involved with the pregnancy health center that if you're
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not medical, you'll become medical and you'll offer APR. If you are medical, you'll be offering APR because APR is
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safe, it's effective, and women given that second chance of choice are extremely grateful.
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All right. So, we'll now um go to the question and answer
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and we'll look in the chat first.
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And looks like no questions there yet. And you can also raise your hand if you
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want to ask the question out loud and then ask you after you ask the
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question, I'd ask you to mute your microphone. So, Dr. Delgado, I have a question. What
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do you think the biggest uh what is the biggest holdback on pregnancy centers um
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their concern about offering it and how best can they overcome that?
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Yes, that's a great question. I think the biggest hurdle for them is if the
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it's usually the medical director is not yet comfortable with the idea of offering APR. And that can be for many
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reasons but one of the biggest I found is that you know many of these medical directors listen a lot to ACOG and
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ACOG's proclamations American college of obstitricians and gynecologists they of course have come out very strongly
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against us and they say that abortion pill reversal they'll either say it's ineffective or not safe both of those
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have been uh proven untrue by us and in fact a study by Dr. Mitchell Krennan a
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few years ago which was designed to disprove abortion pill reversal was discontinued early because three women
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had to go to the emergency department. Well, they use that study as a reason to say it's unsafe. But actually, if you
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look at that study and I describe this very in a detailed fashion in my book, in my book, by the way, it's written for
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the general public. So although I go into a lot of details, those are details are explained very carefully. But in
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that book uh in the book I explained that um of those three patient only one
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of them was really in the APR group. She had received progesterone after mephristone. The other two women had
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received mephrristone but then placebo afterwards. Those two women had bleeding
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and uh called 911 as did the one who got progesterone. But the one who got progesterone when she got to the
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emergency department the doctor's report said that she needed no further treatment. That means she really didn't
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need to be in the emergency department. She just panicked, which is okay, but that's no reason to stop a study or to
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say that APR is unsafe. She had a failed reversal, which happens, of course. The
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other two, they required emergency surgical abortions and one required a
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blood transfusion. Both of those women were in the placebo group. They had not gotten progesterone. So, these really were not comparable to APR patients. And
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so if if you look at that study, that study was stopped because of safety concerns, not around giving
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progesterone, but around giving placebo, which we don't do of course. And the numbers in that study, although it was
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it was stopped early and was not statistically significant, the numbers do very much support that giving the
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progesterone um saved those babies for the time being, they had continuing pregnancies much
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higher than the women who got placebo. So that study actually supports that what we're doing is safe and effective.
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But unfortunately AOG AON puts a different spin on it. So these medical directors I hope they'll read my book
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abortion pill reversal a second chance of choice or go to our website stenoinstitute.org and see all of our
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studies and see that we are demonstrating that it's safe and effective. And of course I'm also always
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happy to communicate personally with any medical director who might be um you
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know still hesitant. The other group I see is sometimes board of directors are that are very riskaverse and liability
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averse and sometimes they're kind of u digging their heels in a little bit. But um I'm very happy to report that I have
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not heard of any malpractice claims filed excuse me against anyone who's offered abortion pill reversal. The only
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lawsuits have really that I've heard of are have been brought on by states attorney generals both in California and
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New York that are that have sued Harpin International and sued local clinics for offering abortion pill reversal. But
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this is really part of the big abortion persecution and I'm I'm sure that um um
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we are going to prevail in those two states. Okay, it looks like there's a bunch of
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chat um ones we've got. Um within what time frame should progesterone be
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administrated administered and what is the most effective method of delivery?
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So the progesterone we've had success if we've administered up to 72 hours after
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ingestion of the mephristone but we try to get it started as soon as possible and in our recent study
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almost all the women were started less than 48 hours and a large percentage of
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them less than 24 hours. So we're very happy about that. We're we're getting many women women started at 24 or less.
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As far as the most effective route from the data we have um right now at this
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point the answer is oral seems to be most effective. But I will temper that
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pronouncement with the um the fact that we have not had large groups yet of
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vaginal uh progesterone insertion and we think the vaginal might be better than oral because of other uses of it where
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it seems to work better. Um, so, so we're we're hoping to do a study where we're going to compare oral and vaginal
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progesterone. Now, injection is also very effective, probably equal or maybe
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even better than oral. We have a a study that's in the works right now, a clinic
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called Sanctafamilia Clinic in Omaha, Nebraska, um, started treating women by first
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giving an injection as soon as possible and then putting them on highdose vaginal. And so we have some data for
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that and we're helping them to um put together a paper that we hopefully will be able to publish sometime this year.
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So the jury is still out on that. Um but I I certainly um I certainly feel that
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we can we have very good data for oral but we have strong suspicions that um the vaginal might be good too.
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The next question is if a pregnancy center offers the APR treatment should the facility have a medical license? So
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if the center itself is offering APR, yes, that center should have a medical license. But if the center is not yet
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medical, but what you can do is the medical director can offer the APR
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through his or her own office and then the the vital counseling and support can
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take place in the pregnancy health center. So that's one way to do it if there's no medical license.
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The next is I have heard Planned Parenthood is instructing women to take both pills at the same time to prevent this reversal. So yes, I have heard
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this. There actually was a study that they did where the women took both pills
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together, the mis methristone and the misoprosttol and that showed that it was not quite as
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effective for abortion as if they separate them out. So because of that, I have not seen a large spread um giving
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both both pills together fortunately, but you still see it every once in a
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while. So if that happened um I would still see the woman. I would still treat with progesterone. I would counsel her
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that the misoprosttol does increase the risk of birth defects by two to fourfold. So there is a significant
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increase in birth defects from you know the average in the US is about 3% and so
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that increases to anywhere to about 6 to 12% risk of birth defects. So leather
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has to be counseledled very carefully. She has to give informed consent and if so then um you can uh try administering
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uh progesterone also what is the most effective dose and
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some clinics stock the progesterone we have no 24 hoursarmacies limit access on weekends in our area so right now the
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dose I'm using is I'm I'm giving 600 milligrams orally or some people give it
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vaginally twice a day for two days and then 400 milligrams twice a day for two days and then 400 at night until the end
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of the first trimester or for two weeks, whichever is longer. If there are no
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24-houries in your area, then I think it would be good to stock progesterone in the office. And you should have some on
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call availability so that um if there's no pharmacy open on the weekend, you can get in there and get the progesterone
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started because I think waiting till Monday would be too long to wait. As far as waiting overnight, that's probably
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acceptable as long as you can get the progesterone started first thing in the morning. But the sooner the better if you have a way to meet a woman there at
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night, that would be would be even better. Next one. How many babies have been
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saved so far? A uh Harpy International, the APR uh rescue network um estimates
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over 7,000. and to use worldwide numbers
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in the US. So those numbers are probably more US and worldwide is a little harder
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to track. Success rate for APR. Um so again we
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have different studies and in different studies you get different numbers. So in our latest study that's going to be published very soon that's already peer
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reviewed and approved the success rate was 55%. But they were not all using highdosese
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protocols. When in our 2018 study, the success rate for all comers was 48% but in the
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highdosese oral protocol it was 68% and in the injection protocol it was 64%.
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So that study we able to separate out those groups. So and then the next study we have planned um that will uh our
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randomized control trial will try to u will have women on higher doses. So
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we'll see how that works. So that's why there's different range and that's very common for different treatments that
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different studies you have different dosing that the numbers aren't always going to be exactly the same.
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So the biggest takeaway from the book for pregnancy centers, what gap do you feel existed and prompted your new book?
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I think the gap was really just an awareness gap um both at pregnancy health centers and throughout the um in
30:44
the general population. So that was the reason to write the book abortion pill reversal a second chance at choice. is
30:49
to increase awareness. And I'm I'm hoping this is a book that can be passed around pregnancy health centers amongst
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the um the board of directors. I'm still amazed at how many times I go speak at
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um pregnancy health center um fundraisers and I'll meet a board of director member at at the event who will
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say, you know, until we booked you to speak, I didn't know it even existed. So, there's still a big knowledge gap.
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So, that's the reason why um uh I wrote the book as chemical
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abortion. The next question is chemical abortion becomes more common. What should pregnancy centers understand about the changing landscape and the
31:23
urgency of rapid response? Well, one thing that's very very important and I haven't touched on
31:30
specifically yet is the other thing that's going on is the increase of of um
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teleaalth and mailorder abortions. This has become the wild wild west. At the end of 24 2024, there was a a um
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a survey by the Society of Family Planning, which is a um a proabortion group, and they um found that 25% of all
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documented abortions in the US of all both surgical and chemical abortion, 25% of all of them were teleaalth. So that's
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that is more now a year later. But what they didn't document and it's difficult to document all the mail order chemical
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abortions These drugs are coming across state lines which are violating the Comstack
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Act. They're coming from different countries. Sometimes the women are getting drugs that that are not even correctly labeled. So this is a really
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big problem and and these women then are are having self-managed abortions.
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They're either having very minimal or no medical supervision at all. And there
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there are many great risks. So, um, let me go into the risk and I'll talk about
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how it it comes back to the pregnancy health center. So, there are medical risks. One is they're not having ultrasounds. So, the woman might be
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further along in her pregnancy than she thinks she is, and she might then take
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the chemical abortion drugs and not have the abortion, but instead have prolonged bleeding, which could cause problems for
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her. Number two, she may misinterpret her pregnancy test and so she may not even
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be pregnant, be taking these drugs unnecessarily and that could cause harm to her health if she's taking them over and over again. Number three, without
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the ultrasound, she may have an undiagnosed ectopic pregnancy. And we know that ectopic pregnancies occur 2 to
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3% of the time of pregnancies in the US. And that in the package inserted, it says that myopristone is contraindicated
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in ectopic pregnancies. So most ectopic pregnancies occur in the tube.
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And if the woman has a pregnancy in the tube, doesn't realize it, takes the abortion pill, starts to bleed, she
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thinks this is part for the course because she read somewhere that she would bleed a fair amount with with the chemical abortion drugs. Well, then when
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she bleeds more and more, her tube ruptures, she has heavy bleeding, she passes out on her bathroom
33:47
floor, no one there to call 911. She could die on her bathroom floor at the altar of choice because she didn't know
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she had an ectopic pregnancy. This has happened at least 20 times. This has been documented and I know that it's
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going to happen more and more. It's probably happened more times already. Next, the women are not being tested for
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their blood type. So, a woman who has Rh- negative blood, if she's exposed to Rh positive blood, she'll mount an
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immune response which could be important in future pregnancies. And we know that during an abortion, blood can mix from
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the pre-born baby to the mother and back. Well, if a mother is Rh- negative and a pre-born baby is Rh positive,
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there's mixing of the blood. She sets an immune response. It's not going to matter for that pregnancy. But immune
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responses, immune system is like an elephant. It has a memory that lasts forever. So in future wanted pregnancies
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with Rh- positive babies, the mother will mount an immune response and can lead to congestive heart failure during
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the pregnancy of the baby as well as still birth after still birth after still birth. It's a curse that cannot be
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eliminated that will really curse her for the for the rest of her life or rest of her reproductive life.
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Next we know that the uh chemical abortion drugs procured by mail order
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have become the tools of sex traffickers, rapists and child molesters. So um there have been um several cases
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of women who were given the um abortion pills surreptitiously either in their
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drinks or a couple of cases documented where the men while having intercourse with their girlfriends put the pills in
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the vagina. And so we know of three that have been brought to justice. One uh Everson Evans in Illinois back in August
35:29
was arrested and he actually admitted that he was going to take things into his own hands. There was a paramedic in
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Scotland who actually had been a decorated paramedic and head of his unit. He was convicted of giving his
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girlfriend uh mythopristone and and causing her to abort. And there was um one more man in um in
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the United States who likewise was arrested um and text messages implicated
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him. So this I'm sure is happening more and more. How many hundreds or thousands of men are not getting caught after
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giving women or forcing women to take these abortion causing pills. So this is
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a huge problem. So you at the pregnancy health centers you need to be aware of this. I think that women are since
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they're doing this many times without much communication with either an abortion center or a doctor or anybody
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else, they may be making hastier decisions than they would have normally when choosing an abortion. So, they may
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change their mind more quickly too and be ready for for APR. So, how do they how do these women find
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us? It's through their magic phones, of course. So I think it's important for pregnancy health centers to be engaged
36:40
on social media to be running digital ads so that when women do a search, how
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do I stop my abortion? How do I reverse my abortion? How do I end my chemical abortion? Your name will come up and
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they'll be able to contact you very quickly and it's good for you. You should have chat functions because they like to chat. Chat meaning with their
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fingers, not with their mouths more than they like to talk on the phone. So you have to be very well equipped for that.
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You also have to be um alert to the fact that some of these may have been coerced into taking the chemical abortion pills
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or that it may have been given to them surreptitiously. Be aware of that so that you can be of support to them and
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so that you can um call authorities and let them know that you're going to be supportive of them and that the authorities will not be prosecuting
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them, but they'll be going after these men who try to take advantage of them and that these women are victims and
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that the the men's men are the predators. So, I think you have to be aware of all that, too.
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Okay, the next question, what is the appropriate protocol for follow-up ultrasound?
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What we do and what we recommend is to um repeat the ultrasound a week later later to make sure that the pre-born
37:48
baby's still alive because you don't want to be giving progesterone if the baby's no longer alive. If the baby's doing great at the one week, then repeat
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it again in another week or in two weeks. This also helps with continued bonding because some women still have a
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little bit of ambivalence after um going through the reversal. So I think that's that's very important.
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Okay, another question. There was a nurse in our area in Western Washington State who was convicted in prison last year for giving his miss. Yes, I
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remember that case too. How would you suggest pregnancy medical clinics advertise or communicate to the
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community that we have APR available? Well, I would say that you know through your um your social media network and
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any of your community partners, you let them know you have flyers made up both uh on paper and ones that can be sent
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digitally so that everybody who relies on you knows that u you have um
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um APR available. Okay, I think we're caught up with the
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chat questions. Oh no, here's a new one. Does your book cover the suggestion you touched on for
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the centers to reach women? That's a good question. I think I do,
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but I'm not positive now about that point if about reaching out through through social media and all that.
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Any other questions? What Here's another question. What
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advice would you give directors who want to strengthen relationship with local medical professionals and build greater
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trust in their communities? I think the important thing there is to
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always have the highest standards. That is very important so that if any doctor
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does recommend a woman go to you, he or she will be very confident that you'll take the very best care of her. So
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that's extremely important and that means being very diligent having very good protocols following your protocols
39:40
making sure that you're you have all the certifications that if you are um uh
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have a medical license that you keep that license up to date and that you um do all the the reertifications that you
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need that you have someone who's very very detail oriented that keeps your um handbook up to date that you review that
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yearly that's approved by your board of directors and your medical directors and that follow all of your protocols. You don't cut corners. And then when you if
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you do get a referral from a a physician or medical practitioner out in the area that you follow up and say we, you know,
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thank you for the referral. We saw her. This is what we've done for her. So th those are really important to to build
40:18
that stellar reputation. That's extremely important on the customer
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service and the medical quality side. We want to far out compete these abortion centers and they their standards are
40:29
very very low. I'm sure you know that. But we have to be far far above that.
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Next is to your medical director should be someone who can be a good liaison with the medical community. And so your
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medical director um hopefully is willing to reach out to to different people in the medical community, have lunch with
40:49
them, have discussions, have talks, let the let them give them updates about what you're doing and and and what new
40:55
services you're offering and also how you can be of help. So, you can reach
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out, let's say, to a pro-life medical office that's not um formally uh
41:07
associated with you, but you can tell them, you know, look, if you ever have a woman who's abortion intent or abortion
41:13
minded, you can refer them to us and then have your cars, have your flyers there so so it's ready and that it's top
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of their mind so they know where a trusted referral source is. Those kinds of things really build build a lot of
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trust. you know, if if that they're willing, take lunch over to them and just meet them. Because sometimes when they meet the people, it's much
41:32
different than just an anonymous name on a card or something. But once they meet the people and then they see that you're
41:38
that you're good people, that you're that you're real people, that you're happy, that you're joyful, and that you're serious about high quality care,
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that that's going to really convince them that they'll want to use you when when the time arises. So, I think all
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that kind of outreach and building a a great reputation is what it takes.
41:57
Next question. Looking ahead, what gives you the most hope for the future of the pregnancy health movement and where do you believe leaders should be focusing
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their energy right now? The thing that gives me the most hope about the pregnancy health movement
42:10
is that almost uniformly I I wouldn't say I
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can't say 100% of course but I would say anyone that I've met is motivated by
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their sincere belief in the gospel message and they're driven by Matthew
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25:40. Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers that you do unto me. and they're really motivated by serving
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Christ and seeing Christ in those that they meet. And so that gives me the
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greatest hope because that's the only mo motivator being a good and holy
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Christian that is sustainable is sustainable for years and years,
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sustainable through persecutions, sustainable through any hardship. anybody else who just has a humanistic
42:58
love of people, which I'm not I'm not um doubting their sincerity, nor am I
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knocking it, but that eventually will reach a word block that will stop them. And and that just because it doesn't
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have that infinite transcendental meaning.
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That transcendental meaning can only come from God. If it's just to help my fellow human, that's it. It ends there.
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it doesn't have the transcendence. So that's what gives me the most hope is that the local the the pregnancy health
43:30
movement is so motivated by by Christian service and Christian duty. And where
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should the world be heading? Well, I think we have to head and be a step ahead of where
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the action is. And that's why abortion pill reversal is the tip of the spear. So I think you have to be up on abortion
43:49
pill reversal. You have to be ready to offer it and offer it well. You have to be able to meet these women where they
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are. Like I said before, meet them online, on social media, be heavily
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advertising through social media and digital means, Google ads and all of that, that is is really extremely
44:07
important. And then on the advocacy side, those of you who are in pro-life
44:12
states and are having these abortion pills shipped across state lines, you have to really work with your states to
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create laws so you can sue and bring to justice these predators.
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The state of Texas right now is suing um
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abortion aid access I think it's called a website as well as a doctor in New York who runs that for sending abortion
44:38
pills across state lines to Texas. So we have to have more of that. We also have to talk to our federal leaders and have
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them enforce the Comstack Act. And you should read up about that if you don't know comtock c.
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It's a law that was passed in the 1870s, I believe, and a law that had three
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parts. One was it prohibited the shipping of abortive patients across
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state lines, um the not uh uh regulated or banned shipment of pornography across
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state lines and birth control. Now, those two last parts have kind of been
45:16
taken out of act. So, it no longer deals with pornography, although I wish it would, nor birth control. However, um
45:24
the part about um making it illegal for abortive patients to be shipped across
45:30
state lines, that part of the law is still active. It's just not enforced. So, we have to get our federal
45:35
government to enforce that law. That would be a way to crack down all this because they are shipping, they're using
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the US mail to ship across state lines, and that is illegal. And so we have to
45:46
hold them to justice. So I would say that you should be aware of that for advocacy there. And and then those of
45:53
you who are in proabortion states, you know, like I'm in California, it's very difficult here. But you have to consider
45:58
it mission territory. So you have to see how you can try to convince the people to have a change of heart and hopefully
46:04
then those people will elect better leaders in the future and we can have a swing from being proabortion to
46:11
pro-life. But those are the areas I think where we really need to focus um and and then look ahead and always stay
46:17
one step ahead. I think we also um we need to um more on the medical side we
46:24
need to develop uh reversal drugs for um misoprosttol because we do have some
46:30
women who are getting misoprostyl only through the male. We know in places like Mexico most of the abortions are
46:36
actually misoprostyl abortions because mephrist is much more expensive. So in our research side, we're we're looking
46:42
ahead to that too. Um so there's a lot to look forward to, a lot of good work
46:47
to be done. Uh the next question looking ahead, what research or development you see next? So
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I I guess I kind of answered that already. Um one is uh research to comp we want to figure out what's better oral
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or vaginal and how if injections are better how much better because injections are painful and they're more
47:07
difficult to to have of course in the office but if that's going to make a really big difference then we'll sort of
47:13
have parallel protocols. So, we want to, you know, really figure that out. And we um we have one study that we're um
47:20
trying to get approved through the um ethics board right now that'll be a prospective observational study. And
47:26
then I told you about the the randomized control study which actually has been on a clinical hold for four years by the
47:32
FDA and we're trying to fight that and we have some inroads in the FDA now that we're hopeful. Um so that moprosttoal
47:38
reversal as well as maybe other um supplements or or medicines that we
47:44
could give with a progesterone to help it work better or maybe look at something called alpha lipoic acid which
47:50
there are some um studies in the literature showing that it can um help women who have threatened miscarriage
47:56
who have what uh who have bleeding called subcorionic hemorrhage bleeding behind the placenta can help that
48:02
resolve. So, we're probably going to study that and seeing if it increases our success rates um and maybe some some
48:08
other medicines um that we might um look at. Uh unfortunately, the U this another
48:15
question, the US Department of Justice Office of Labor Council has issued formal opinion saying the Comstack Act
48:20
does not prohibit mailing abortion drugs like me for zone so long as there is no intent to use them unlawfully.
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Yeah, that's true. The rules, the comment is rules apply to some, not others. That is true. Um, but when they are
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shipping to states like Texas, they are intending to use them unlawfully. So, it still could be applied there.
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Any other questions?
48:57
All right. While we're waiting to shift other questions, I'll just give you a reminder. There's the book abortion pill reversal, a second chance at choice. You
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can go to ignatius.com, stenoinstitute.org, which by the way, senoitute.org um has a
49:12
lot of resources you might be interested. You go to the resources tab for videos, a lot of um um articles in
49:18
the lay literature and and in the medical literature. Um and then you can also buy the book at Amazon,
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ignatius.com, stenoinstitute.org or Amazon. Here's a question. Can APR be used if
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the patient has taken Ella? That's a very good question. Ella, also known as
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Uliptol, is a progesterone receptor blocker very similar to methopristone.
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So the answer is yes. Progesterone should theoretically block the effects of ulipristtola.
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I don't have any data to support that, but I know that it works the same way as meristone. So I assume it would. I also
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don't have any data on whether or not Ella causes birth defects. I would assume it does not, but then again, I
50:02
don't know. We don't have any proof like we have with meristrystal. With meristto now with our two combined studies, uh we
50:08
have several hundred now. Um where we've had births with no birth no
50:15
increased risk of birth defects. I don't know if that's the case of Ella, but I would say I would give the the the woman informed consent, tell her we don't know
50:21
a lot about this, but that this is definitely worth a chance of trying the progesterone to reverse the Ella if she's happened to take the Ella um as an
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abortacant.
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Is it possible to get example of a policy and procedure for APR? Yes. So, if your center can reach out to
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Heartbeat International, they have um um some model policies and procedures and
50:48
they can help you get started there. So, you can go to um uh or you can go to abortion pillreversal.com and there'll
50:54
be a link there to uh it's called APR Worldwide. I think I think the email
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let me I think I have the email right here if you want to hold on one second.
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Well, I thought I had it, but I guess not.
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Yeah, but you can find that on abortion pill reversal.com and and think a link there and they'll connect you. Okay. How
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do you determine how many women are looking for APR in a given area?
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Well, I don't know how you determine that unless you do some sort of a survey.
51:39
But I can tell you that we know that abortion pill uh the abortion pill counts for 70% or more of the abortions
51:46
these days. I think women are going to have more regrets because they're not
51:51
reflecting on as much. And we know that there are about
51:57
uh 700,000 chemical abortions in the US every year. So that's a lot of women probably a lot of women in your area. So
52:04
that mean there's probably a great need in your area. Any
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last minute questions before we wrap up?
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Oh, and I I found that website for you looking for the u policies and procedures and how to get connected um
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and and how to join the network. It's aworldwide.com.
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aprn worldwide.com.
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Maybe you could put that in the chat, Sam. It is in the chat. Great. Yeah. So, that'd be the place to
52:40
go. Oh, great. Yeah, you did. You're fast. So, go there instead of abortion pillreversal.com. That'll be your direct
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uh avenue to learning more about the network and about joining the network.
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Okay, any other questions?
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Wow, this has been awesome. Um, so much information and it's it's been great.
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Thank you so much, Dr. Delgado. Um, would love to end this time in
53:14
prayer. Um, would you like to close things up for us in prayer? Dr. Delgato?
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Sure, I'd be happy to. Good and loving God, thank you for the opportunity
53:26
to serve you, to serve our community, to serve our churches, and serve women who
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are being victimized by the medical abortion complex. We ask, Lord, that you bless women who are in these situations.
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Let them choose life, Lord. And if they've taken me personal, let them choose abortion pill reversal. Please
53:43
bless all of us here, all of our pregnancy help centers. Let us be filled
53:50
with your spirit of charity, of fortitude, and of willingness to serve
53:57
all those we meet. We ask that you bless us on our way. Help us to be your faithful witnesses to all those we meet.
54:04
Bless our families. Bless all of our organizations, our boards, our benefactors, that together we may truly
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be your hands, your loving heart to all those we meet. in the abortion pill
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reversal movement and in our pro-life activities. We ask all this in Jesus name. Amen.
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Amen. Thank you so much. We really appreciate the work that you do and all that you've done and I'm excited about
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the new book. Um I'm going to order mine, that's for sure.
54:38
Thanks everybody. Thank you guys for coming. Um, don't forget next next month um we'll see you
54:45
back here um and you'll be receiving a link for the um for the transcript of
54:53
this um the video and um and then the you can always look on our website too
54:58
on our um webinar Wednesday link and it will have all of our past ones as well.
55:04
So, thank you guys so much. Um, I will I did put the chat the link in the chat,
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but let me do that again for you. Um, let's see here.
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It's on the Steno Institute. Here is the
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direct link.
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There's the direct link um to Ignatius Press. And then um
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here is the link to his website. And on Dr. Delgato's website again, he
55:46
has um just a large amount of resources um
55:52
peer-reviewed articles, other articles, videos, and his books. So um you can
55:58
definitely go to his website and get all of that information. Um there is also a
56:03
speakers bureau if you ever need to or want to um invite any of the speakers
56:08
there. Um that information is there on his website as well. So just lots of
56:13
information on his website um to be able to to access. Other than that, thank you
56:20
again all for coming. I really appreciate it. And you guys have a great
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afternoon and um hopefully we'll see you next month. Okay. Hi.
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Heat.