Dinah Monahan (00:00)
So you can edit it.

Jacob Barr (00:01)
If

needed. Yeah. I usually don't unless there's really a need for it. Yeah. So if you do say something that you don't want, you want removed, I can remove it before it's published. yeah, no worries. ⁓ let's see, adjust this. Okay. Well, welcome to the pro life team podcast. I'm Jacob and I'm here with Dinah and today we're going to be talking about the.

Dinah Monahan (00:10)
Alright, I'm still looking at my hair. Okay. Up.

Jacob Barr (00:28)
the work that Dinah's been connected to from Africa to adoptions. But to start off Dinah, I'd like to have you share what it's like to be in a multi-generation pro-life ministry, being the second generation and then with your son Brandon being in the third generation. What's that like? What are your thoughts on your family ⁓ pro-life story?

Dinah Monahan (00:54)
Well, what I tell audiences is my claim to fame is I am the daughter of the mother of the precious feed and I am the mother of the creator of Bright Course. So there you are. I am sandwiched in the middle and there you are. First of all, it's a privilege that a lot of people don't ever get to be able to have a

Jacob Barr (01:09)
you

Dinah Monahan (01:21)
walk in a legacy like this, walk not just out of my parents legacy, but then watching my son and his wife walk into that legacy. ⁓ so, ⁓ yeah, it sort of is something that, ⁓ well, I did try to early on, I started another business and started moving in a direction, I'm an entrepreneur and

And I realized that I could not get away from ⁓ pro-life if I wanted to, that it was something that was so ingrained in me. my parents, growing up in my household, there were six, I have five siblings. But my parents were, they were grassroots crusaders. And they were back when there was no technology, it's not like today.

And so word of mouth, literature, speaking, your contact with people was much more organic. And yet, ⁓ well, mom created the little precious feet, and then they started distributing them to organizations all over the world, actually. And it grew and grew, became the international pro-life symbol. But through that, also my parents, they spoke all over, they went all over the world.

⁓ and they spoke about pro-life. ⁓ They have stories of, ⁓ they were in New Zealand and actually had to flee under police protection because they were beating down the front door of the church they were speaking in. But they spoke all over. In fact, it was the overarching issue in our family.

It just was. And in fact, we used to laugh if we were at a hotel together with my dad and you ever wanted to clear out a jacuzzi that was crowded, you sent dad ahead of time because he'd start talking about pro-life and people would get up and leave and then you'd just have the whole thing to yourself because he could clear a room, know? ⁓ We lived it, everything about it. And so I never...

It was very uncalculated what I did. It it sprang out of these rich roots of my childhood. And in my childhood were the greats, Father Paul Marx. You know, I remember him visiting my home more than once. Phyllis Schlafly was my mother's good friend. People might not recognize these names, they, Jack Wilkie.

and his wife were my parents' good friends. These were the people that they sort of put the whole movement together. It was very disjointed. didn't know. At that point, it didn't exist. And so that's what I lived under. So it was an amazing... ⁓

Jacob Barr (04:36)
Yeah.

Dinah Monahan (04:40)
amazing thing that you don't even realize you're involved in until you look back on.

Jacob Barr (04:45)
So a few weeks ago, I saw Brandon at the Charlie Kirk Memorial. He was walking, looking for his son, to, you he interested to go help his son with carrying lots of food. And I just got to see him for a few moments as I was on my way to the restroom. And it just strikes me that, you know, what Charlie Kirk was doing when he came to

Dinah Monahan (04:53)
and

Jacob Barr (05:12)
promoting the gospel, promoting life, and also having a patriotic desire for everyone to own a home and these different, this love of country. It really seems to reflect the roots that your, where Heritage House started with patriotic flags and having a heart for God and how these meld together and the life precious fee. I felt like there was a lot of like,

Dinah Monahan (05:37)
my gosh!

Jacob Barr (05:42)
commonality between the Charlie Kirk ministry and heritage house. But that's heritage houses roots from like, I don't know how many decades ago, but would you yeah, what are your thoughts on that? ⁓ It is off. Yeah.

Dinah Monahan (05:55)
I've not thought of that before, even though it's obvious, but

no one has ever put it in that way. I was raised, my father was a veteran of World War II. And every morning we'd go, he was a principal, so during the summer we had summers off. ⁓ so we would go, we'd stay in a cabin in a lake, and every morning.

It started. We were there on the porch and we said the Pledge of Allegiance and my father read out of the Bible and then we all prayed and then we started our day. And I have the cutest story of my dad. He had a flagpole in front of our house and every morning he would raise that flag. And one morning he was out there and he was raising ⁓ the flag.

And this trash truck ⁓ was going by and the driver pulled over and he got out. And as my dad raised that flag, that trash man saluted. And my dad and mom, were, well, originally they were anti-communists. Before the pro-life movement, way back when I was little, they went in and saw a speaker. ⁓ well, it doesn't matter. Nobody will know it now.

But anyway, the speaker and he's speaking all over the country about the threat of communism after World War II. And that's what they got involved in. And they took it, you know, they were grassroots on steroids. ⁓ But the whole patriotic, ⁓ it was woven through. In fact, my dad was a principal and he ⁓ was having his school do a whole patriotic program. ⁓

you know, how America is so great. And he was called by the FBI. This is the truth. He was called by the FBI and told them that they had information because they were, this sounds crazy. This sounds out there, tin hat stuff, but there were communist cells back, you're talking in the fifties and they had targeted dad because of this and had warned him. And he, I remember,

Jacob Barr (08:15)
Wow.

Dinah Monahan (08:20)
You know what his response was? He gathered the family together, we prayed, and he went on with his program. Nothing ever happened, but he was so committed. I mean, I think in those World War II veterans, you could, if the encapsulation of their feeling toward America is found in the, say it, Irojima. Yeah, that's the statue, Irojima, Irojimo.

Jacob Barr (08:44)
Okay.

Dinah Monahan (08:49)
statue where they're putting that flag up. I think that is the embodiment of those World War II veterans. And they, and I know how dismayed my dad was in the sixties at the flag burning and the, yeah. But we were, you're right, we were raised, it was part of it.

Jacob Barr (09:03)
⁓ Yeah.

Yeah. And I feel like, ⁓ so he was being threatened to try and I'm guessing, or I'm hearing that maybe the threats for him just trying, you know, they're trying to have him stop or just be silent. Yeah. And that's continued. I feel like that's the threat today is for people to stop and to be silent.

Dinah Monahan (09:28)
Yes, and using violence to do it. Yeah. And yet what we're seeing now, in fact, I'm wearing my Charlie Kirk t-shirt. ⁓ Yeah, it says this is the turning point, Charlie Kirk. And boy, isn't it? We're seeing it. I see the patriotism part of it turning, really. All of us are just sort of standing there and watching, even though there's a lot of

Jacob Barr (09:31)
Yeah.

awesome. I didn't even realize that when I asked you the question. This is the turning point. ⁓ good.

Dinah Monahan (09:56)
Well, we know we've stepped on the tail and the head is raising up and flailing around, but ⁓ I don't, and I don't know, I can't say if the abortion issue is feeling that same change of heart. I don't know nationally if it is or not.

Jacob Barr (10:21)
Yeah,

it seems like there are wins on the horizon and we've definitely had with Roe vs. Wade being overturned with there's been some really good progress in Texas with them banning abortion pills and then making it so that a citizen can sue to enforce that. Sue a distributor, producer, anyone who is a drug dealer of abortion pills.

Dinah Monahan (10:44)
⁓ is that?

Jacob Barr (10:49)
But not sue the woman who would be without informed consent possibly or a consumer of that, but focusing on the system that produces and distributes. ⁓

Dinah Monahan (10:50)
Right.

That is the, ⁓ it's actually a law in the federal books that you can't distribute abortion paraphernalia or medicine. It just sits there. That's why cities are becoming sanctuary cities for ⁓ pro-life against abortion based on that. And I'll think of the law in a minute. ⁓ But anyway, okay, I have some thoughts on this. ⁓

⁓ We saw a row fall never thought we would in all of our life and that was a great victory but always always see always the enemy is just ⁓ You know, they they have a bloodlust and they're hanging on it's like their claws are in and they can't let go and so it shifted and this is something that we don't realize the triumph and row here in Arizona and a lot of states we lost that we got more because

We ended up with a ⁓ row going, but then we had ⁓ the abortion pill. And first of all, we had written into our amendment of our Arizona constitution. And this is not just Arizona. These are states all over the country. They come in, they lie. They, people think they're silent. I, in fact, get this, Jacob.

I set up a table right next to the table where they're getting signatures to put it on the ballot. And I was listening to the comments and this lady had just signed. said, do you realize you signed to make abortion legal up until the day of birth in Arizona? She says, no, no, I'm pro-life. They were lying through their teeth just to get the signatures. And they did.

So then it went on the ballot, and this is not just our state, this is a country, ⁓ throughout the United States, this is an effort, national effort. And so the way it was worded on the ballot was, this will help women preserve their rights, odd, and on and on. And then on the negative side, it said, voting no, this will take away the rights and take away, I mean, it negativized every positive thing they said.

It was stunning. And so we have in our constitution that every protective law, they're going down now one by one, every protective law in Arizona to protect the woman or to put any restrictions on the abortion industry fell. But even in Texas, well, Texas has that, but you can get

abortion pills so easily. I just Googled it. And right now it's against the law to get abortion pills in Arizona. They're challenging each of the laws since that constitutional amendment went through. But right now it's illegal, as I believe still. But it doesn't matter because you go on Google and it says, you know, order abortion pills Arizona. And it's $120 to get the abortion pills. But now

Jacob Barr (14:03)
Yeah.

Dinah Monahan (14:29)
We have seen the greatest blow, honestly. I'm sick. The FDA just legalized ⁓ the, or just gave the green light to abortion pills that are generic.

Jacob Barr (14:41)
Yeah. Yeah. And then they came on the heels of them challenging the regular abortion pills, now they're, And then, you know, after looking like we had a pro-life victory, then they approved the generic, a generic version.

Dinah Monahan (15:01)
And so now you're going to go to Google and it's going to say $20 or I don't know, it's going to be way lower. So we have this monster, row is no more, but we have this monster in the abortion pills. Half of the abortions now in this country are abortion pills and there's no tracking. And so, you know,

It's something that we need. We're flailing. going, how do we get ahead of it? And that brings me to my son. So now take the third generation who, you know, he has taken it into the technological age like nobody I've ever seen. And his mom is in awe, but I shouldn't be. raised a kid and he was a little bit brilliant. ⁓ anyway.

Jacob Barr (15:47)
yeah.

Dinah Monahan (15:58)
uh, the nurse chat that he has a 20, the nurse chat through infinite worth. I'm going to tell you something. It's working and we're in a rural, I've got three rural centers. am back being the executive director of the centers that I founded and then was away from for 15 years and they were tanking. So I took it back. So I'm running the centers. So, but it's a whole new ball game out there. Oh my gosh. When I left the internet was nothing.

Jacob Barr (16:01)
infinite word. Yes.

Dinah Monahan (16:28)
I come back and it's everything. we have to change tactics. In fact, I just met with a young woman who says she wants to put it on TikTok and on Snapchat. And I'm like, that's how we have to go. And so we actually do a campaign that does it. And we have a website and we have the 24 seven nurse chat. And for listeners who don't know, it's a bot on our website and it's put out by Infinite Worth, which is part of Heritage House. ⁓

and it's a bot and it has, so a girl can be thinking about the pill at three in the morning and in our area. And so she can Google abortion in Sholo, Arizona and our center will come up, get her to the website and then she can chat with the nurse. And we are now, we just did a pregnancy test this morning. We're ⁓ just,

Jacob Barr (17:19)
Yeah.

Dinah Monahan (17:25)
Friday we did one, we're getting results now. And so, ⁓ and we offer free ultrasound. And so I think as more centers really grab hold of the value of this, but they have to do it right, man. You have to be in there moving ⁓ your presence up on Google and these, you have to, so that you show up when they put in at three in the morning, abortion pills, Sholo, Arizona, you have to be with.

who shows up.

Jacob Barr (17:56)
Yeah, that's, would agree completely. Um, yeah. And a lot of that work that people have done over the years to show up on Google is now helping them show up in the AI results, like on chat GPT and grok and Gemini. Um, yeah, it's based on content content and citations, authority scores, a lot of the same work that people would do to show up on Google over the years has a lot of similarities to what's involved with showing up.

Dinah Monahan (18:12)
I didn't know that. Yeah, really?

Jacob Barr (18:26)
⁓ in ⁓ these different AI solutions that are providing answers. Google probably provides more answers today, but the amount of answers being provided by AI is growing rapidly. ⁓ so things are changing.

Dinah Monahan (18:38)
It's changing.

It's changing.

I just had a question and instead of going to Google, I went to AI Chat. You know, it's the first time I've done that, but you're right, it's changing. And again, I'm what's known as the mom of big love. I came into the movement when all we had was stickers and literature. I would go, and phone booths. my gosh, can you believe that? We had phone booths and in the phone booth was a phone book and they were about

Jacob Barr (18:50)
Yeah.

Dinah Monahan (19:14)
that thick. so what we did, so we would list ourselves under abortion, but then they got wise to that. So they made us list under abortion. And so what we did is we got stickers. You're not going to believe this. We went to every phone booth in the area and we put our stickers in the abortion under abortion. we stickered.

Jacob Barr (19:15)
Yeah.

or should alternatives?

and the phone books. So

that, like in the phone booths or the phone books. ⁓ smart.

Dinah Monahan (19:43)
Yes, in the book.

When they looked up abortion, our sticker was there and it just, it said something generic, but to get them into our center and, and yeah, we had to do different things. It took a lot more like ⁓ you had to drive somewhere and, we did, but we did it for presents and it, you know, paid off. We're rural, very, very rural. But when I retired in 2010,

We have three centers. We have the only center on an Indian reservation in the country. And that Indian reservation is what I call my rural urban center because it is the highest. At one point, they had the highest murder rate per capita in the country. I don't think they hold that anymore. I don't know. But that was probably 15 years ago. they have it is a it's just, ⁓ you know, highly federalized. They, you know.

all of everything they need except the, they have a lot of tremendous poverty, but also are handed everything. It's a wicked combination. So we started to center down there. so, you know, but between these three centers and another ones in Springerville, don't, it's very small. They don't see many, but we were seeing 1,250 on average client visits a month.

A month. A month. And most of them were done between the White River Center and our center. And a lot of them were parenting. They were, you know, at that point it was called Earn Why You Learn. ⁓ but because we just, our demographics are just so small and ⁓ we grow in the summer, but we grow with retirees and, you vacationers.

Jacob Barr (21:12)
Whoa.

Dinah Monahan (21:39)
But anyway, but to see that many people are, so we saw a lot of pregnancy tests because word of mouth is so powerful. And back then word of mouth was everything. I wonder if it still is even with the internet. What do you think?

Jacob Barr (21:52)
I would say, so

in communities under 50,000 in a county, would say word of mouth is number one, Google slash internet is number two. ⁓ and I would, I would phrase it as word of mouth by a friend and or word of mouth by a professional. yeah, so when county is under 50,000, it's number one with internet slash Google number two. And then in counties bigger than 50,000 people.

Word of mouth is number two and Google's number one. ⁓

Dinah Monahan (22:24)
Interesting, because we are our county altogether is that but we're very spread out. It's out west, you know. And so we got a lot of miles between our different our centers and and so you know our ⁓ that that makes sense. People don't understand the difference. ⁓ Rural centers are are very unique in a lot of ways and ⁓ and so.

Jacob Barr (22:30)
Okay.

Dinah Monahan (22:48)
You just approach things a little differently. But I will say that the internet has leveled the playing fields in a lot of ways.

Jacob Barr (22:56)
Yeah, it definitely provides access for so many different groups to compete with Planned Parenthood that's just simply, you know, larger if you compare it to a given Prancy Clinic and their budget and marketing ⁓ tools. But as a group, we're able to compete quite well because we have so many groups competing with, you know, per county, per area, per, you know, per geographic area.

Dinah Monahan (23:22)
Right, right. Well, you know, one thing that's interesting, we were three hours from an abortion clinic. in the past, yeah, Phoenix, Phoenix, we're two and a half hours maybe from Flagstaff, but they always did very limited. were limited even back then. But Phoenix would be your main abortion clinics.

Jacob Barr (23:32)
Is that Phoenix or where would that be? Okay.

Dinah Monahan (23:49)
We always had a window. We always had a window. And pregnancy tests weren't readily available all over. And so ⁓ our advertising about free pregnancy tests was powerful. And if they wanted an abortion, we had this window where they would have to go down three hours away. They'd have to plan it. And so we were the first stop. That's why we were seeing so many.

And so, ⁓ and we had a lot of saves, but that's different. That's all changed. It doesn't matter that the abortion clinics in Phoenix, because they go to the internet, they look up abortion pill, and in their area, these abortion pill ⁓ sites pop up, and then they order the pill. And, you know, they could be 14 and never tell their parents, and they deliver a dead baby alone.

in their bathroom. That's what we're dealing with. And so it's for us, it is a whole different, ⁓ just it's a whole different method that we have to come up with to get in touch, to touch these women, to connect with these women.

Jacob Barr (24:51)
Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. now they're getting it shipped. ⁓ Some people have shipped it in bulk or they're stockpiling so they can hand them out or distribute them in some way. ⁓ then these pills were available leaving on amazon.com. it's there. Yeah. ⁓ With insurance it's as low as $2. With insurance it ranges from

Dinah Monahan (25:16)
Hmm?

Are you serious?

Jacob Barr (25:38)
I'm sorry, insurance, it's yeah, $2, $13, $5, $45. Without insurance, it ranges from like 13, 18, 24 on up. There's different products that they have, different brands, different, but there are several on Amazon under Mifepristone and MisaPristole.

Dinah Monahan (25:49)
need to pull that up and that will be

I'm usually not taken by surprise because I read a lot, get a lot of information. That one is stunning to me.

Jacob Barr (26:09)
Yeah. Cause

people trust Amazon for all. I wouldn't say all shopping 80 % of shopping. I would say.

Dinah Monahan (26:18)
Yeah, yeah, I, yes, I would have never thought that. I have a little lake, it's a pond that wants to be called a lake, and I wanted to stock it with some fish. Where did I look? Amazon. I am not kidding you, live fish shipped to you. Anyway, so you're right. I would have never, never thought that, and yet that's what, but, Chica, that's what we're up against, and that's why, again, I was.

Jacob Barr (26:33)
Yeah. Wow.

Yeah

Dinah Monahan (26:47)
was just talking to this little gal and she is a younger generation, she understands marketing and I said here's our message. See our message used to be, are you pregnant, we care or are you pregnant, you know, you don't have to do it, there's another way. I don't think that message is well anymore. How about this, ⁓ a positive pregnancy test, you ⁓ may have ectopic...

Now this is not short and pithy, but you may have ectopic ⁓ or it could be an early pregnancy loss. You need to know for your own health. Before you take that pill, the only way you can know is an ultrasound. We offer it free, you know. So we just need to put just a little bit of doubt and a little bit of fear and it's valid fear. I'm not fear-mongering here. My goodness. Think about the girl who has an ectopic pregnancy. Now that and

Jacob Barr (27:25)
Yeah. Yeah.

Dinah Monahan (27:44)
The numbers vary, but I've seen as low as 1 in 20 ⁓ pregnancies end in ectopic up to 1 in 40. That doesn't matter. That's still a think of the number of pregnancies. All right. ⁓ Even if it's 1 in 40, think about that. So they get a positive pregnancy test because the HCG of course is elevated, registers on the pregnancy test, even though they have no way of knowing it's ectopic in the tube developing.

Jacob Barr (27:56)
Yeah.

Dinah Monahan (28:14)
And so they do, they get the Mipha Prestone, they take the pills, ⁓ and then they experience, exactly, they have it.

Jacob Barr (28:22)
experience the bleeding and the pain and it matches yeah

the what they think is the abortion is it could be the atopic pregnancy having a rupture.

Dinah Monahan (28:30)
Yeah?

Well, let's say that they have the pain, they have some blood show, they don't know, who knows? So they go, or yeah. So they end up thinking they have aborted and they have this baby like a ticking time bomb in their fallopian tube. And when they explode, that is actually ⁓ something that is deadly.

Jacob Barr (28:35)
or progressing.

It could be the rupture, you know, getting closer or, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Dinah Monahan (29:03)
Now, how unbelievable that they're giving these pills without no medical, no doctor, no nurse, no nothing. A 14-year-old ordering it online, getting it in the mail without her parents' knowledge, and delivering a dead baby unless she has a topic, in which case she thinks she's aborted and then life threatening. You know, they did that latest study and they found out one in 10.

Women had physical, adverse physical, I mean enough to put them in. Yeah, yeah, enough to.

Jacob Barr (29:34)
the abortion pill. Yeah, and it was, um,

yeah, the FDA had said 0.5 % and then it came out to be 10.5 or 11%. So

Dinah Monahan (29:45)
Yes, it was 22 times as high as what the FDA said.

Jacob Barr (29:47)
Yeah. Yeah. Now I want to, I want to ask

you a hard question. So feel free to pass if this one's not, if the timing's not right. If someone is diagnosed with having an atopic pregnancy, how long do you think is reasonable to wait? Or what are your thoughts on what should be done next? Should it be removed right away to avoid rupture? Or should it be, or should it, or is it better to wait until the baby passes or

Dinah Monahan (30:03)
Mm-hmm.

Jacob Barr (30:17)
Like how do you weigh that? I lean on removing it right away, but I've heard people say, yeah.

Dinah Monahan (30:21)
Actually,

I faced that with my last one. Yeah, they thought she was ectopic. ⁓ So that was the question. All right, I am not a medical personnel, what I have read, you need to take care of it if the baby's developing in the fallopian tube and it bursts, it's life-threatening. Nobody will debate that. And there is no chance of that baby living.

Jacob Barr (30:27)
⁓ okay.

Yeah. ⁓

Dinah Monahan (30:50)
This is not an abortion. And so there's no chance. None.

Jacob Barr (30:51)
Yeah. Yeah. And

until the day comes when there's a way to re to, to move and, you know, move that baby. and my understanding is that when it's in the fallopian tube, the baby is not getting nutrients because the, the food is not passing through the, um, you know, the wall of fallopian tubes, not designed to provide, um, what it needs for, as you know, for life sustaining, um,

resources and so the baby is malnourished in the fallopian tube as well. And it might be the sack that's growing in that fallopian tube that makes it. it's, it's essentially it sounds that the baby is not going to live very long. ⁓ and it may not, it may not be, I'm not even sure what they can do to move it, but it's, there's a lot going on there. And I think the best thing to do is to save as many lives as possible and to not play with hours and days.

Dinah Monahan (31:24)
Ken.

Right.

Right.

Right.

And right. And this is something I don't even think it's in our ballpark of discussion in abortion personally, because it's a no, it's a no brainer, you know.

Jacob Barr (31:56)
Well, the reason why I bring it

up is because I've heard some groups or people actually say they should wait until the baby passes and I don't agree with that. I think that's plain dangerous.

Dinah Monahan (32:06)
Well, except that

maybe it'll pass, maybe it won't, maybe it'll rupture. And so with no, what they're saying is there shouldn't be any intervention whatsoever. I don't know, but I think I look at that and I say, okay, let's concentrate on the 99.9999 % where we're dealing with this without that factor. And I think the thing that has gotten me just

Jacob Barr (32:09)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Dinah Monahan (32:35)
It's almost breathtaking to think that these young teenagers can order the pill and mark down they are 12 weeks pregnant. And I have sat across from countless numbers of them over the years. And I'm telling you, they don't know how far along they are. They might have a period, lot of times young women have a second period after they're pregnant, and they can have blood show

throughout the early, they have no clue or they don't know which guy in which encounter. mean, there are so many times that these young women have been wrong. Without an ultrasound, they don't know. And then they have the ultrasound and then they know how far along they are. So what you have is you have women just saying, oh, I'm nine weeks. And in reality, they're 12 weeks or they're 15 weeks.

and they're just popping the pills because they're told it's just like a period, you'll have some period cramps.

Jacob Barr (33:40)
Wow. So I just did a podcast yesterday with an author of a children's book. And the author wrote the book for, it's about ⁓ her granddaughter's pregnancy and her grandchild. mean, her daughter's pregnancy with her granddaughter or grandson being ⁓ in the womb all the way through development and born. And she's writing one book.

Dinah Monahan (33:42)
It is...sucking.

Jacob Barr (34:07)
her grandchild and so she's got seven grandchildren and she's working through them. So the first two are about two of her, two of boys grandchildren. ⁓ But what was interesting is that this book talks about what an ultrasound is, what trimesters are, and it makes it relatable so that, you know, a child four years old, five years old, you know, can understand their own story and their sister or brother's story.

Dinah Monahan (34:36)
Right. That's interesting. I've not heard of that.

Jacob Barr (34:36)
And so it's really, it's a really exciting, it's

a book that talks about that story in a way that a child can understand it because a child has seen ultrasound images and it's encouraging moms and dads to share their story as well as their sibling story and just to embrace. I feel like it's a culture of life building concept is to have a book that talks about

you know, the ultrasound to children, children before they can read and after they can read and then that early time of their life. And I think it might end up helping more children become doctors. Like I think that's my perception is that if a child ends up loving that book, it might end up, you know, we, you know, helping them make decisions that will help them become OB doctors or OB nurses. And I think it's a good thing.

Dinah Monahan (35:31)
We need pro-life OB doctors and OB nurses and absolutely, absolutely. That's wonderful. I've not heard of that. I'm not.

Jacob Barr (35:35)
We do.

Yeah, it's a new book. She's working

on ⁓ the first one. ⁓ she's working on the first several out of a series of seven. So I wanted, want to, yeah. You would have had a long book series. ⁓ So I want to hear about Ethiopia.

Dinah Monahan (35:50)
26 grandkids, I would have been. I'm kidding.

my goodness. Yes, scrap that idea.

Jacob Barr (36:05)
and the battle in Africa. know that you're involved there. you, yeah, tell us, tell us what's going on in Africa.

Dinah Monahan (36:15)
Well, I can't speak for all, well, I do know some things in general for all of Africa. ⁓ My husband and I started a maternity home in ⁓ Ethiopia and it was about in 2006, I think. we were, it lasted in its form for about six years and it's

complicated. And so we dissolved it. But after he died in 2016, I ⁓ started it back up in a different, under the radar more kind of, ⁓ but we house girls and we house young women who are ⁓ have ⁓ made the decision to abort and actually got into the abortion clinic or on their way.

or to the hospital. And we have people, and I don't know them. This is not something that I'm involved in, but there are pro-life Ethiopians, because the message is getting out in the hospitals and even in these abortion clinics. And I don't know what their criteria is, but they'll have a woman, maybe she's very upset or maybe unsure or whatever, but they call us. I have a

The other side of the Ethiopian side of my heart runs the ministry over there. Her name is Meseret. And they'll call Meseret. so they we, know, housing over there, housing here is not a not a it's not something that you find as the reason they will abort kind of thing. Very seldom. There's just too many social programs here, but there there's none. And so the pressure to abort on a young woman, it's staggering.

So when they make that choice for life, it's it's stunning because if they're looking at social ostracization, they're looking at not getting married or certainly not getting married to a quality man because they'll be rejected. They're ⁓ looking at how do you have a baby and work? Now, our program is a year. It goes a year and they do. They hand sew.

They hand-sew clothes for the poor children and we just give them to them. We don't sell them. We go into a village and we outfit the whole village with their hand-sewed clothes and they get paid from the ministry. They get paid per piece. So they leave with some savings and a lot of times we can ⁓ reconcile with their families. They have somewhere to go, Meseret does an amazing job. I'm going there in... ⁓

November I'll be going and I go about once a year and check up and take baby clothes. But anyway, what's happened in all of these African countries, and there are a lot of African countries who have Christian roots, Ethiopia is huge. You find it in Isaiah. Ethiopia is mentioned in Isaiah. mean, it is an ancient. And yes, and Ethiopia has Christian roots.

Jacob Barr (39:31)
Wow, that's true.

Dinah Monahan (39:37)
And they say they have the Ark of the Covenant. I don't know if they do. ⁓ And because, who was it? One of the apostles went to Ethiopia. So at any rate, but these countries that are child-centric and their family is still the foundation to their culture, to their tribe, and to their cities. The family is the...

the hinge that swings all the doors. And so anyway, ⁓ that's where the abortion industry is going in. And they are, it's under Marie Stoeps. Marie Stoeps is a ⁓ like Planned Parenthood, same idea, but it's from Britain. And they've put all of two things. They put the Marie Stoeps clinics, but then they have this, it's a blue star.

And this blue star, ⁓ all your stores and anywhere, they got them to put it up. And I don't think they really understand what they're doing, but I don't know. They probably gave, all right, this is conjecture, but they probably gave financial incentive because that gets you everywhere there. Anyway, but you see all these blue stars. Well, that says to any woman, I can tell you where to go to get an abortion. So we...

When I was there, my husband and I did a pro-life conference there with pastors. We're trying to wake people up. ⁓ so we thought, well, they have a blue star, so we want something. So we designed a logo and in Amheric, the two main languages are Aromaphal and Amheric. And so we had a picture of a baby with an umbilical cord and then a drawing. And then in those two languages,

The equivalent of it's a child not a choice or something like that. And they were yellow oval, which die cutting was not a readily available thing. So the girls in our maternity home cut out hundreds of yellow oval stickers. And they have these things called bijages and they're little, they look like little beetles and they're a motorcycle engine. And then they take people all over the city. They're taxis, but they're

cheap taxis, you've seen them. And so they love putting stickers on. So they took our hundreds of stickers and put them on all the massages. Yeah, I still have pictures of these massages zipping around with our yellow sticker on it. It's a child not a choice. Anyway, ⁓ but they are building the largest abortion clinic in Africa.

Jacob Barr (42:13)
You

Dinah Monahan (42:30)
in Ethiopia right now.

Jacob Barr (42:31)
⁓

Dinah Monahan (42:31)
There is a, I mean, it is so perverse and so, it just reminds me of this bloodlust and that this animal has its talons sunk deep in its prey and it won't let go. And so they have to just devour more and more and more. And along with that culture is of course all of the other things that go along with it.

culturally that have led to our downfall that they're pushing. They're having a harder time because culturally they are not woke. But the abortion, these girls are not told anything and they'll go in because it is answer to a problem and what they're doing. We know anywhere there's abortion legalized and pushed, it tears the fabric.

of that culture. And we're seeing it. And it breaks my heart because it is a very, so many of them, they're very child-centric. They love their kids. They celebrate their kids. And you're seeing, that's what it's destroying. So it's destroying at the very core. people say, well, that's...

Jacob Barr (43:33)
Wow.

Dinah Monahan (43:58)
There's so many poor and starving kids and you know, now they say that here there's unwanted kids, aren't unwanted kids, there are unwanted kids. But you know, but over there, there are. But the answer isn't to kill them. You know what, Jacob, if you put, if they put as much money into programs that empowered mothers,

and fathers to start little businesses and to get out of poverty. If they took the money they have put to push abortion and perform abortion and the family planning and all of the other stuff, if they took that money and empowered the parents, they could have completely transformed the culture.

Jacob Barr (44:45)
Yeah. Yeah. An evil source or an evil root isn't going to produce good, good, good ideas or, or good fruit.

Dinah Monahan (44:46)
But that's not their goal.

You're right.

You're right. And yet, you know, our mamas, ⁓ I'm now many years into this. so I actually get pictures of the children that were babies born actually to one of my grandsons was ⁓ Samuel, Brandon's son was actually in the program and his mom met Don and Brandon and she said,

an interpreter I want to place my baby for adoption with Don and Brandon. And I said, God's going to have to want that real baby. You're going have to, God is going to have to, that's going to have to be his will because there's no way that you choose the family and then have it happen. You know, it's the other way. There were orphanages and at that point they were still placing for adoption. But ⁓ they chose Don and Brandon and it

Nine months later, they had Samuel in their arms.

Jacob Barr (45:54)
Yeah.

And Samuel was the son that Brandon was looking for to help him carry the food at the Charlie Kirk Memorial. And I remember hearing, think Samuel gave an interview after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, um, slash martyred and, and he was, you know, talking to an AP, um, reporter and, Samuel's got, you know, a very, um, focused heart for God. Uh, what are your thoughts on Samuel?

Dinah Monahan (46:10)
Yeah.

See

you guys.

to tell you, I held him very close to when he was born. I was going quite a bit to Ethiopia then, and I had the maternity home, and his mama was in it. And so I have known my grandson since the beginning, since his mama was pregnant with him. And that's unusual. he, you know, I have to tell, he and I are very close.

He was struggling, struggling with adoption, identity. You have the race issue, you have all of that. And it all sort of gets into a murky swirl when you're adolescent and asked to just sort of swirl around. And so he was struggling with that. And we were talking and so he said, grandma, have to have lunch. Got to me out for lunch. Okay, so that was about six months after he had voiced some concerns and some.

So took him out and I said, how are you doing with that? How are you doing with that struggle? And he says, you know, grandma, isn't a struggle anymore. This makes me cry. He said, I know who I am and I know my identity is in Christ and that's all that's important.

And I just still choke up about it. And he is so focused. He loves the Lord. He goes on missions. And this is also my point. If he would have looked at his mother and her circumstances and she's poor and on, you would have passed judgment. know, people saying, well, that baby would have better been aborted. How do you know? How do know God's plan and purpose for any of these children?

There are a whole lot of things that can happen in life that we don't plan on, we don't foresee. And that young man, you're going to hear more about him. He's passionately pro-life. And he loves Jesus.

Jacob Barr (48:17)
Yeah, yeah, I've spent some time with them. We

share, you know, a place to stay at some of the conferences. He's been often, you know, part of Brandon's, you know, part of the, takes one of the rooms and we have a lot of people that we share these houses with as we come together for these conferences. And Samuel is very consistently, I mean, he's got, he has these bracelets, like one of them, think was, you know,

Dinah Monahan (48:36)
Yeah.

Jacob Barr (48:45)
the gospel story. was like a bracelet that helps him, helps essentially, if you ask about it, it invites you to represent each color as part of the gospel story. And he was ready to share that and he was well, well practiced or he was ready and excited to share the gospel story and things like that. Yeah.

Dinah Monahan (48:50)
Right.

Right.

Yeah,

you just never know. We have no right to pass judgment on who is going to starve and not make it and who is going to shine and who is going to have a ⁓ life of meaning and purpose because God intended every child to have that. And sin gets in the way and poverty gets in the way, but when God moves, we don't have the right to

⁓ past judgment. We just step out of the way. And so, yeah, I have three actually, four adopted children, three of them from Ethiopia. And, ⁓ yeah, yeah, I'm a very rich grandma.

Jacob Barr (49:46)
Wow.

Yeah, that's true. That's true. So, so one of the questions I wanted to ask you is about adoption. And I know you've talked about it already, but can you expand more or just share some more thoughts on ⁓ on adoption?

Dinah Monahan (50:06)
I actually, in running the centers all those years, God brought me women who wanted a place for adoption.

Most centers our size in their whole history never see a single woman who wants to place for adoption. I saw over 50. Placed over 50, not saw but placed. Crazy stories. But the first story was ⁓ my mom came home from a conference. She said, this couple, they're wonderful. And if you ever have an adoption. ⁓ we had a young woman, first girl, pregnant girl we ever took in. Mike and I took girls in for six years.

We had our own, we had three of our five kids at the time. And we had a trailer on the side of our house and we would, so for six years we'd take these girls in and they were sort of part of our family, but they had their own quarters. ⁓

Dinah Monahan (50:59)
⁓

We would,

So, I'm sorry, I lost my thought, my alarm went off. So we had this young woman living with us, she was 16. She'd been raped at a party, didn't know, you know, who the baby was because of her lifestyle. And so she came and she stayed with us and she decided to place for adoption. Mom had that little scrap of paper she had given me, oh, they made a contact.

Jacob Barr (51:02)
no worries.

Dinah Monahan (51:26)
adopted Catherine, the baby. She had the baby. This is the first adoption we'd ever done. We, by the way, were not an agency. We worked through an agency. So they had an agency. anyway, that baby is now probably 48 and has children and grandchildren.

And when we save a child, this is what people don't realize, we don't save a baby. We save a generation and another generation and on down it goes. I mean, this is unbelievable because if Catherine had been taken out of the picture, none of these people, this large family now, I have a picture of this gathering and you look at that from her. And the other thing is the parents,

when they adopted, they were so moved by her story and what we're doing. They went home and started ⁓ the Catherine Foundation in Maryland where they live and they're a huge pregnancy center. You know how many babies they've saved? How many women they've helped? Because of Catherine. So, ⁓ and I've done a lot of adoptions and I have, I mean, I'm still in contact with the birth mums.

I'm in contact with the Babies Placed for Adoption as adults now. It's pretty crazy. It's crazy to be that old.

Jacob Barr (52:53)
Wow.

So we've been working with the Catherine Foundation ⁓ for many, many years. I had no idea that it had roots reaching into the Prescott, know, Arizona area or snow. I mean, yeah, yeah, snow low.

Dinah Monahan (53:08)
Sholo, Prescott's over there. Yeah, Sholo, Arizona, she lived,

her mama lived with my husband and I. And then after the baby, she went home for a year, did not do well and came back and graduated high school and went on to college. And yeah, I'm still in contact with her now.

Jacob Barr (53:26)
Wow,

wow, such a deep, this is good. Well, it is, yeah. It's interesting how like, yeah, the pro-life movement, you the more you get to be connected with different people, the world just seems like it's really well-weaved together when comes to all these people working in the same, you know, on the same mission, on the same way of serving Jesus.

Dinah Monahan (53:31)
Isn't that amazing? ⁓

Absolutely. Absolutely.

And you know, Jacob, ⁓ having been in it so long, I've been involved like with Heartbeat when it was AAIA way back speaking. ⁓ My husband and used to speak on ⁓ opening your homes to, we called it the shepherding family and ⁓ experience. so that's where we were coming from originally. So we've just watched this thing blossom and grow. ⁓ But when you meet...

pro-life people, there is something different. It's just different than anything else. It's just a connection. I think it's a connection because we're all fighting for people we'll never meet. I mean, maybe. And we have a passion for something that, yeah, that ⁓ we may never see the results of our efforts.

Jacob Barr (54:33)
Yeah.

Dinah Monahan (54:42)
And you know, the greatest, one of the neatest things, I just had an event and I had a young man come and speak. He's 32 and his mother actually lives in the area and I noticed that she was really friendly to me. I'd reacquainted myself with her and I didn't, and I couldn't figure out why. And she said, don't you remember?

And I'm like, crud, there goes my memory again. And she said, I came to the center and I was gonna get an abortion. was at him and I talked to you for a long time and you told, but I left committed to keeping the appointment at the abortion clinic, she said, and I did. But she said, I was laying there on the ultrasound table and she said, and I remembered, because that's before we had ultrasounds. She said, I remember you telling me. ⁓

that whatever you do, you ask to see the ultrasound because you need to know what you're choosing. You're making a choice, but you need to know what you're choosing. ⁓ so she asked to see the ultrasound and they said, no. She got up and walked out. And this boy, this young man, he's a man now, came, yeah. And ⁓ he's alive. Something, you know, or I'll get a tap on the shoulder.

Jacob Barr (56:04)
Wow.

Dinah Monahan (56:10)
They'll say, you see this child that's happened in Walmart? And do you see this child? I talked to you. How many of us, I mean, I don't, I have a high school education and yet I am in a ministry and so many are like this, by the way. So many of us are called to this ministry and we're just normal people in an extraordinary ministry saving lives. Where did you get to do that?

Jacob Barr (56:38)
Yeah.

Dinah Monahan (56:38)
Doctors have to study really hard and have to be really smart. ⁓ EMTs. But all of us in these centers are saving lives. And we're there because of a passion and a love for God and His Word.

Jacob Barr (56:55)
Yeah, and in the real world, the heroes are, know, prancing clinic workers, firefighters, ⁓ people who are literally rescuing people from a burning building or from a very destructive place. that's what prancing clinic work is, is rescuing people who are in harm's way. ⁓

Dinah Monahan (57:22)
Even if they're not pregnant or ⁓ even when they choose abortion or they come in for parenting, you're turning around generational destruction.

Jacob Barr (57:35)
Yeah. Speaking of that, would you share

about Psalms 51 and the abortion healing and retreat center or retreat work?

Dinah Monahan (57:43)
Talk about confusing people. My life is crazy. ⁓ I have counseled women all my life. And so I'm not a licensed counselor. I am a ⁓ certified ⁓ lay counselor, but ⁓ I really just, it's about experience. So anyway, I found that I saw something in women that I, there was something in there deeper. And the.

deeper was through God leading me through meeting people and reading stuff and also looking at my own life. It's called shame. And it was not shame for what you've done. It was this sense that ⁓ women walk around with, Christian women, women who know the Lord, but they walk around with something's wrong with me. I can't let anybody know, but I feel it. And anyway, I was able to take everything I did with counseling, compile it into a book and a video.

called Breaking the Shackles of Shame. There's ⁓ another video you watched before called Giving God Your Worse that sort of preps you for it. And then Breaking the Shackles of Shame. And after my husband died 10 years ago, ⁓ I truly felt that God wanted me to ⁓ do retreats. Had no idea. Jacob, I had no idea. But I built a retreat home. And again. ⁓

I stood there with this beautiful home and went, okay. And then Brandon put my videos on Bright Training and they exploded. And then we started having retreats and now it's been, five years into it and we have ⁓ retreats March through October. the retreats are, it is not for women off the street. This is for pregnancy client advocates.

women who are serving other women, Christian women who have had trauma, abuse, neglect, whatever, in their childhood who have found Christ, but there is that part that is just, it's there, they can't put their finger on it, they can't put words on it, and yet it, in a way, interjects itself into everything, all your relationship, your relationship with God, it's really remarkable.

when you step back and look at it. So I've been able to put words to it ⁓ and to show hope and give tools. And what I've seen has been nothing short of miraculous. so these women watch the videos and now it's going out into the churches. And so we get women from churches also, but they watch the videos and then they come to retreat. And when they come to retreat, it's unbelievable because

They don't know the other women and yet they bond in a way they've never bonded before. It's Wednesday through Sunday and it's a hundred bucks. I keep it cheap so that women can afford it and we transport you from Phoenix Airport up to the White Mountains of Arizona. Beautiful setting. And so ⁓ we are starting and we're just a bunch of beggars. I don't do any superstar stuff. It's celebrity stuff. We're just all beggars. Every one of us, me included, and all we're doing is

We're sharing truth, the bread of life. And so I hope to create an army of women who have just jettisoned broken those shackles of shame and they walk in freedom because that's where you walk. God intended us to, but Satan is very, very, he's canny and he's clever. And so he doesn't have your soul, but he can sure keep you in shame. When he keeps you in shame, you are not doing.

what he's called to do because you're always focused on yourself. It's just, that is just the truth, you know? And shame keeps you always focused on the negative. You know, what if they find out? And so when those break away, the power that comes from that is so exciting because there's truly freedom. And so that's, I wanna just create a whole army of women who are unshackled and we can be real and we don't do the...

We don't have masks that we can risk being vulnerable and open because if they look inside it's not what if they find out because what they find out is Jesus. That's our identity. need to shift. And so that's what I work on. Anybody who's interested can go to PSALMFIFTY.ONE. ⁓

is website address. gave it to me. Who does that? .one. Not .org, not .com, .one. So Psalm 51 is spelled out but put a dot between Psalm 50 and the 1. And my videos are free there.

Jacob Barr (1:02:34)
But yeah.

50 in the way. Yeah.

I think your alarm went off.

Dinah Monahan (1:02:52)
So, yeah, I know someone called in. Anyway. ⁓

Jacob Barr (1:02:55)
There you go. So I've got a question for you. So I know you're very accustomed

to the pine trees, the, ⁓ or that surrounding, maybe the peacefulness of that retreat center space, or, know, can you describe what it's like to be there? Like what's, what are the grounds like?

Dinah Monahan (1:03:11)
⁓ my gosh, well pine trees and beauty and with the pasture and by the way anybody can go on the website and you look under about us and there's a

Jacob Barr (1:03:20)
So there are pine trees

in Arizona. That's good to know.

Dinah Monahan (1:03:24)
it's the largest

stand of pines between Arizona and New Mexico, the largest stand of ponderosa pines in the world. And I also, have a lake. It's actually a pond that wants to be called a lake, as I said. And the lake is part of the retreat also. It's not on premises, but it's not far. And it is.

Jacob Barr (1:03:30)
And then

And I've heard from, I heard a

few hours, about a few minutes ago that you're looking to get some fish for that pond or that lake. So that's good.

Dinah Monahan (1:03:49)
largemouth bass that is so big and catfish that are so delicious anyway but the ladies never never fish but they both but we we have that and then we feed them we have we have volunteers they fly back in they've been to retreat they want to serve others they fly in it's you're fed you're loved on your and you and you learn and you it's a remark it's it's actually like no other retreat I know and

Jacob Barr (1:03:54)
Yeah, yeah

Dinah Monahan (1:04:18)
And so we just keep growing. Every year we feel we have another one coming up next week. And then so they can go to the website and look where the retreats are too.

Jacob Barr (1:04:28)
So the

retreat is for those who need healing, but yet are also serving others, right? That's the...

Dinah Monahan (1:04:36)
or are, yes, they're Christian women, but they're still that, they feel, and they know, you know, those of you who are listening to this, there's something inside of you that you never quite feel ⁓ that, never, there's something wrong with you. You never quite feel that you're accepted by God, he made a mistake or he did something wrong.

You just, and you look and maybe people will see inside if they only knew what was really inside. Women walk around with a lot of women, and women in the churches. And that's, we hit that head on, give tools. Women truly walk away free. It's pretty remarkable.

Jacob Barr (1:05:14)
Yeah.

Yeah, James 516 says, confess your sins one to another so you may be healed and the prayers of a righteous person availeth much. And I'm imagining there's a lot of sharing in prayer from people who, yeah.

Dinah Monahan (1:05:37)
There is prayer,

there's sharing, there's ⁓ teaching, there's interaction between them, interactive stuff, and the women bond in a way, they're shocked, they're bond, the honesty, that terrifies people going in. You should see coming out, these ladies are bonding like, that's one of the comments. I have comment sheets and ⁓ in fact, if people wanna go on the website and then sign up down below and subscribe after each retreat we send out.

a newsletter with comments and video interviews. Anyway, it's a unique niche. I have worked with women off the street, so to speak, women who have no Christian background. I've worked with ⁓ poor and disenfranchised and all of that, but my heart, this is where my heart is. These women who love the Lord, but they never get to fully experience what it's like to be loved.

because they feel that, well, they're the exception, something wrong with them. But they don't ever talk about it. You'd never hear about it.

Jacob Barr (1:06:39)
Hmm.

Yeah. Well, I'm so glad you're doing that

because that's, yeah, that sounds like an amazing thing or service or ⁓ ministry that you're doing there. Well, Diana, I'm really glad you have been on here on the podcast. Would you end our podcast with a prayer and then we'll invite those who are listening to join in whenever they get the chance to hear this.

Dinah Monahan (1:06:53)
It is. It is.

Absolutely.

Father come before you and I thank you and I praise you. And Lord, I am always in awe of this tapestry that you're weaving and all we see is the messy threads on the back. We have no idea, Lord, what a beautiful picture. Just like Father to have the Catherine foundation and to have the roots here in solo, Lord, and yet Jacob knows them. And Father.

I just know that the tapestry you're weaving is beautiful, it has purpose, it conveys a picture and a message of the gospel, and we're just a thread, just a part of it. And yet, Lord, what a privilege to be that. So thank you, thank you for everybody's involved. Thank you for everybody who is. Lord, all of these pro-lifers will never see the fruits of their labor, ⁓ oftentimes, and yet, Lord, how many babies?

Are we going to see in heaven people that they say, I'm here because you were obedient? Thank you for those people out there, Lord, listening, that that's their story. In Jesus' name, amen.

Jacob Barr (1:08:19)
Amen. All I'm stop it there.