Listen to Catherine Davis answer Jacob’s questions for a a new museum exhibit on Racism and Abortion.
Summary
This is Jacob Barr from the Pro-Life Team Podcast. Today’s episode was quite special as I engaged in a profound conversation with Catherine Davis, the President and founder of the Restoration Project. Our discussion centered around the complex interplay of race, racism, and abortion, particularly focusing on the black community. We’re using this content to build an exhibit on race and abortion for an upcoming museum dedicated to the history of abortion.
Catherine, a mother, grandmother, and great-grandmother from Georgia, shared her deeply personal journey into the pro-life movement, which began after confronting her own experiences with abortion during a church Bible study. Her work now emphasizes educating about abortion’s impact on the black community and the black family.
We delved into various topics, including the misconception that abortion is a civil right and the historical and ongoing targeting of black communities by the abortion industry. Catherine highlighted the adverse impacts of abortion on black families, including increased premature births and a higher incidence of breast cancer linked to abortion. She also discussed the systemic racism inherent in the abortion industry, citing Planned Parenthood’s own admission of being a systemically racist, white supremacist organization.
A significant part of our conversation revolved around the legacy of Margaret Sanger and her Negro Project, designed to limit the births of blacks in America, and Alan Guttmacher’s role in shaping abortion policy. Catherine also touched on the destructive nature of the Black Lives Matter movement and its disconnection from actual black community issues.
In conclusion, Catherine offered insights on how abortion has been used as a tool for black genocide, reducing the reproductive rate of the black community below the necessary threshold for population replacement.
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Transcript
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Jacob Barr :
Welcome to the pro-life Team Podcast i’m Jacob Barr, and I’m here today with Catherine Davis. Today, we’re going to be talking something a little bit different than normal. We’re going to be going through a series of questions while building a case or content for an exhibit at a new and upcoming museum on the history of abortion and the first exhibit in this new museum is on the connection and sphere, or world surrounding race, racism, race and abortion. And Catherine’s going to be going through a set of questions, providing us with answers so that we can use this content collected in this podcast along with other podcasts on the same topic to build an exhibit on race and abortion. You do. I’m going to ask you to introduce yourself differently this time because it might be for actually, I might just use that first question and I’ll introduce what we’re doing. So then, and we’ll just dive right into it.
Catherine Davis :
Ok.
Jacob Barr :
All right. So Catherine, I’m excited to have you on the pro-life Team Podcast, which is and this is going to be a new, this is a special new episode where we’re going to be building content for a new abortion, a history on abortion museum. And so we’re essentially going to go in through a list of questions. And so instead of asking you to introduce yourself to a group of Prancy clinic directors, I’m going to ask you a different question because this is going to apply to a different and a broader audience. So tell me, who are you? What’s your background? And what led you to the subject of abortion?
Catherine Davis :
I am Catherine Davis and I am the President and founder of the Restoration Project which is a pro-life pro, family, pro education organization that today is focusing on the family and how do we bring the family back together in light of the overturning of Roe V Wade? I am a mom, a grand mom i actually have a great grandson. All my grandchildren are boys. I’m still trying to get my girl and I live in Georgia and I educate the restoration project does projects to educate about abortion and its impact in the black community and on the black family. What got me into the pro-life movement is the fact that I had two abortions myself and I was like Scarlett O’Hara. I never dealt with it i’ll think about that tomorrow. I had put it on the shelf in my mind never to be touched again. And I had moved to Richmond, virginia and joined this church there that was called Manna Christian Fellowship. And they had a program that they did on Tuesdays and it was called Noon days, and they will have Bible studies so instead of going to lunch to eat food, you went to church to eat the Word. So on this particular Tuesday, I went into the Bible study all happy, oh, I’m going to eat the Word and got in and that day it was about abortion. And I was like a deer in the headlights i didn’t know what to do because if I left, they would know I had an abortion but if I stayed, they were certainly going to know that I had an abortion so I just kind of slid into a chair and started crying because it was like the Lord was saying to me, today’s the day, girlfriend, you got to deal with what you did. And so I thank God for the men of God who were leading that Bible study, because one got on one side of me, the other got on the other side of me and they began to pray for me because they recognize that I had abortions and it was something I was dealing with. And it almost became a comedy show because I kept trying to leave i kept say, OK, thank you. And I tried to get up and they pushed me back down in the chair until they got to a place where they felt like, OK, she’s going to be OK, we can let her go now. And at the end of that prayer, one of the pastors, Bishop Wellington Boone, put a book in my hand, Grand Allusions, The Legacy of Planned Parenthood told me, go read this book and then go do something about it. And that’s how I got involved in the pro-life movement, because when I finished that book, I went to Virginia right to Life and volunteered my services that was in 1987 and I’ve been on the pro-life trail ever since.
Jacob Barr :
Wow well, thank you for sharing your back story and wow, I’m excited to hear your other answers because that was a really good one so this is good. So this next question is, are minorities in America mostly pro-choice pro-life undecided other? And I think I think the intent is that like in your opinion more so than, yeah so what you know from your viewpoint, how would you answer this question?
Catherine Davis :
I can’t speak for all minorities, but I can speak for the black community, since I am a black woman And I would say most black women in America are pro-life And that sounds almost oxymoronic, since in light of the statistics, the lion’s share of abortions performed in this country, about 40 %, proportionally impact black women more than other ethnicities. But the reality is, if you were to talk to the average black person around that walking down the street, they tell you that they are pro-life but they cannot tell a woman what to do with her body. And so while they’ll say that they’re pro-life they also at the same time recognize the dogma that has been promoted over the years by the abortion industry, that it’s a woman’s right. So now you have a clash between civil rights and the right to life. And but as a whole, I would say the black community in particular is pro-life.
Jacob Barr :
Interesting. Yeah so it’s like a it’s like, yeah, it’s pro-life but then feeling handicapped to influence someone else I guess. Or restricted I guess.
Catherine Davis :
Exactly, yeah.
Jacob Barr :
Interesting yes yeah. Ok. And since the reason why I’m going just question the question more so than doing a, you know, a half hour bit on one is because we’re going to take these same interview, these same questions to other people who we consider to be experts in the racism and abortion sphere. And then that way when we get answers from each person, we’ll be able to pair up, you know, one person’s answer next to another in order to try and build out this museum exhibit and so yeah, essentially to stay on task, I’m going to go to the next question. And so race and racism are politically charged ideas that candidates often use to drum up votes, motivate their base, and demonize political opponents. When race is combined with the topic of abortion, candidates can swing a lot of votes in their favor by saying the right thing about race and abortion. In your view, how can black voters avoid being taken for granted and stay principled enough to navigate through the rhetoric and manipulation?
Catherine Davis :
You know, that’s a that’s an excellent question. The one of the problems that we face is that most black voters don’t know the truth about abortion in America because what they get to hear day in and day out is that black women need abortion because we are the primary group getting abortions i mean, the abortion industry has targeted the black community for so long that it is now a common belief that if abortion is in some way restricted, that black people are going to lose something, they’re going to lose a right. So navigating through the rhetoric becomes difficult unless you give them the factual information and show them how abortion is not what they hear every day it’s not liberating. It’s not lifting them out of poverty. It’s not doing anything positive and in fact, it’s been destructive. And that’s what I tend to educate about, is the truth about what abortion is and how it has impacted black women and black families oh.
Jacob Barr :
That’s good, yeah one of the objectives of this museum is to show the reality or the truth, you know, the authentic truth of what abortion is. And then by laying out, well, both sides of the argument and then letting people have a full picture to you know, essentially to navigate from, yeah, OK, so next question I’ve got is some claim that black people and pregnant black people, women in. Sorry some claim that black people, and pregnant black women in particular, typically receive unequal medical care, so pregnancy poses a higher risk for black women compared to other women. Is this true? And if so, would it help justify abortion choice policy?
Catherine Davis :
Well, you’ve kind of asked two questions in one. Is it true that black women receive unequal medical care the short answer to that is yes. Many times physicians don’t listen to their patient to understand what’s going on with her, or they don’t properly apply the medical guidelines to black women the same way they do to Caucasian women. So the short answer is yes, but at the same time, pregnancy in and of itself doesn’t pose a higher risk. Like they want us to believe, but because of the unequal treatment, you will find more black women having incidences that contribute to a difficult pregnancy. So it’s kind of six in one, half dozen in the other. But the unequal medical treatment does result in some cases, to black women not getting the same level of medical care that they need during their pregnancy. Yeah, OK, And this doesn’t justify abortion choice? I don’t think so. I don’t think it does justify it, but it certainly contributes to it that.
Jacob Barr :
Makes sense. So President Joe Biden on the campaign trail said if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for Joe Biden or Donald Trump and you ain’t black. Now, Biden was the Democratic Democrat presidential candidate at the time and committed and a committed pro choicer at the time. What do you think of this quote? Is it just poorly worded, a bad joke? Or perhaps it’s perpetrating the idea that black people feel a sense of duty to support pro-choice candidates.
Catherine Davis :
Well, I think we have to go back and look at do most black people weigh their political choices or their political candidates against whether or not they are pro-life or pro-choice And I would say the answer to that is no. They are weighing the candidates according to who they believe is going to meet the needs of their community, whether it’s the Republican or the Democrat. So it’s not a question of pro-life versus pro-choice It’s a question of who do I think is going to do more in my community now. And that’s a part of the smokescreen that the Democrats use to keep the black vote. They pretend that they’re doing more to for the black community than any other political group. That’s not true clearly, we see that’s not true. But their rhetoric is so strong that many black people believe it is true so they vote for the Democrat because they believe the Democrats are going to give the black community resources and money that they need to elevate themselves yeah. So again, it’s oxymoronic, yeah.
Jacob Barr :
It makes sense, yeah and it wasn’t a joke.
Catherine Davis :
I mean, Bill Biden believed what he said he believed that somehow black people voting for a Republican or Donald Trump was a betrayal of the race, and it’s not but so he wasn’t joking he actually believed that foolishness, Yeah.
Jacob Barr :
That’s a good, a good, yeah that’s where I appreciate your thoughts on that makes sense. So people have argued that abortion choice policy helps minorities achieve equality and overcome historic obstacles facing the black community. How is that supposed to work? Do you agree or disagree with that logic?
Catherine Davis :
Well, you’re asking the wrong person how it’s supposed to work, ’cause my mind is very logical and that defies logic. So i don’t know how that’s supposed to work and I wholeheartedly disagree with the notion that somehow an abortion is going to help us achieve equality, particularly since the roots of abortion isn’t a population control initiative designed to get rid of the black community. There’s no way that we can successfully say that we’re going to achieve equality by killing our children in the womb. So people make that argument, but it’s just not true. And I do whatever I can to eliminate that mindset from our culture, that somehow abortion is elevating the black community or doing anything other than destroying the black community.
Jacob Barr :
Yeah and with these questions, I think our objective is going to be to ask, well, we have about four or five people in mind so far who are like on the pro-life side to respond and then we’re going to try and find people who may be on the pro abortion side and see what they would say to these same questions. I think that’s the intent that we’re trying, we’re going to try and do. That’s why some of these questions were worded in a way that may not make sense from, Yeah, from the pro-life side, there’s where they’re somewhat relatively neutral in some ways. But what? Ok. So the next question I have is what is eugenics and is abortion choice policy aligned with eugenics?
Catherine Davis :
Eugenics is a term that suggests that some people can be born well and others can’t, and meaning that hereditarily we pass on defective genes to one another, physically, psychologically, morally, etcetera. And so they want to limit the numbers of children that the people they consider to be dysgenic can have or do have. And it was birthed in the out of the someone to say it was the Nazis but eugenics were being practiced way before Hitler began to do his deeds in Germany. And it ties to abortion because the founder of Planned Parenthood and others in her day there were numerous others like what is his name Lothur, Loth somebody Goddard or something like that i can’t think of his name and others who were very prevalent in the nineteen twenties nineteen thirties and suggesting that certain groups of people should be limited in freely reproducing. And Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was one of those people. And she in fact launched a project that she called The Negro Project, specifically designed to limit the births of blacks in America and around the world, actually, because she went and hobnobbed with Hitler and the other groups and in fact, if you go back and listen to the Nuremberg trials, many of those that were tried basically said, but we learned it from America. We learned this practice from the United States, you know, and most of us don’t know that but that’s what eugenics is. Let’s not let the mentally defective the black people, anyone that they consider to be dysgenic Puerto Ricans. Let’s not let them freely reproduce because they’re reproducing defective people.
Jacob Barr :
Yeah so you touched on this, but as a separate question who? Who is Margaret Singer and what is The Negro Project?
Catherine Davis :
The Negro Project was a program that Margaret Singer, who is the founder of Planned Parenthood, she well, they weren’t Planned Parenthood back then it was called the Birth Control League and later changed their name to Planned Parenthood. But she developed this project in conjunction with a man named CJ Gamble. And the two of them decided that they were going to recruit black ministers to go into the black community and teach and preach birth control essentially from the pulpit in order to limit the number of blacks being born in the United States. And so she launched that pregnant that program in 1939 And they got ministers and other leaders of influence like WEB Du Bois to go into the black community and say it’s OK for you not to have children. And we’re going to help you by advocating for and promoting birth control. Even though both birth control was illegal back then, but that’s what they were advocating for was birth control.
Jacob Barr :
And I want to do one follow up question which is not on the paper or planned list, which is what are your thoughts on using black pastors or black probably pastors. Yeah, what? What how do you what is what is your response to that idea in that tactic?
Catherine Davis :
Well, she was successful because if you look at churches across the country today, we have a senator who is sitting right now in the United States Senate who is the pastor of Ebenezer Baptist Church, which was Martin Luther King’s home church, who is promoting abortion from his pulpit. So they succeeded because they understood that the pastor is a leader who can influence the community for good, for bad, whatever. So they did succeed, which is why the National Black Pro-life Coalition, which I’m a founding member of, tends to go back to those churches, to the church, to say teach the word of God, teach what God says about life, and rebuke, if you will, the messaging that abortion is OK, abortion is acceptable. So, yeah, but they were effective and now we are working to reverse that.
Jacob Barr :
Yeah. For me, I just feel like it’s very dark creative, evil strategic decision. And what’s less successful, it’s just it’s just like, yeah, i yeah, it felt, I felt like they found a new darker, dark evil because it’s just, you know, it’s using something that was designed for God, for a, you know, for a different purpose, you know an evil purpose. Yeah, that’s right yeah.
Catherine Davis :
Right, that’s.
Jacob Barr :
Right so, all right my next question is abortion is sometimes compared. Oh wait, that’s the actually I probably have to rewrite this because here we are it says abortion is sometimes compared to slavery. Question mark. Maybe it maybe it i’m not sure yeah I got it. So maybe we should rewrite that question before we answer it so because it’s not it’s written as a statement just put a comma. I’ll put a comma on it that sounds good put.
Catherine Davis :
A comma, so yeah.
Jacob Barr :
Abortion is sometimes compared to slavery. Is this a fair slash valid comparison? Please explain.
Catherine Davis :
It is. It is. If you look at what happened in our country with slavery, there was a case called the Dred Scott case. And now do I want to say Dred Scott or Plessy versus Ferguson? I’m sorry, Plessy versus Ferguson case that went before the Supreme Court, where the Supreme Court said that black people were not persons, that they were property, therefore they could not be citizens and would not be entitled to the same rights as every other American that was in the country at the time abortion. When the Supreme Court decided on abortion, they did the very same thing to the baby in the womb. They said the baby was not a person that was entitled to protection under the Constitution therefore, you could terminate a pregnancy because the child was not a person and in fact, if you go and read the history of the Roe V Wade case, one of the justices asked that question directly of Sarah Weddington, who was the attorney arguing for abortion. And they said if the baby is a person, isn’t that baby entitled to fourteenth amendment protection? And she had to answer yes, that it that it was so that very principle that the court used in the Plessy case, that the black community in America were not people, they were not persons, is the same principle that undergirded abortion in America. So it’s it is a valid question and it’s a fair comparison.
Jacob Barr :
Yeah, I think a lot hinges on personhood and yeah, those in the womb, their, yeah, their future sort of hinges on this person, you know, personhood being recognized.
Catherine Davis :
Right.
Jacob Barr :
Is race based abortion legal in the United States?
Catherine Davis :
Clearly it is, you know, Planned Parenthood.
Jacob Barr :
Let me rephrase the question a little bit. So like sometimes people like in China people will often and because of the two child policy or before when it was a well based on the limited number of children someone’s allowed to have, it will often if they have a sonogram and find out it’s a girl, they may have an abortion because they want to pass on their family name and then they choose abortion until they have a boy. Or in India when someone finds out they’re having a girl, they might choose abortion because when a daughter gets married they have to pay a dowory and if they have a boy it’s sort of like the family wins or gets a dowory or a large amount you know a sum of money. Whereas if you have a girl you’re paying a dowory And that’s been an impact in India. So yeah, here in the US, if someone you know with the and then this doesn’t require an ultrasound to find out if you know what the race of the child will be. But yeah, so if someone decides to choose abortion based on race, you know, based on that information, I guess it’s not it’s not hidden like gender or sex of a child. But yeah, is it legal to. Yeah for someone to choose based off of, yeah, the color of their skin in the US.
Catherine Davis :
And again, I’m going to say yes, and I’ll give you a specific example. There’s a case here in Georgia. It was a young Caucasian girl who got pregnant by a black man. Her mother told her, you’re not going to bring a little black so and so into my house so she took her to one of the abortionists in Augusta, georgia, and she told the abortionists, I’m not going to let her bring a little black so and so in my house. The young lady, on the other hand, told the abortionists and anyone who would listen to her, I don’t want an abortion, I want my baby. But they killed her baby anyway, and she testified to that before our legislature here in Georgia. It’s also testimony that has gone before Congress before of other examples of women telling an abortionist, I want my baby, but they push them down and take the child, the life of the child anyway. There’s no consequence to an abortionist who would do that. A second example, real quick, was of an abortionist in North Carolina. He had been denied hospital privileges because he had injured so many women in the course of being an OBGYN that the hospitals in Charlotte would not let him practice so he became an abortionist and Operation Rescue went to his home and confronted him to say let the babies live. And his response was who’s going to take care of those little black so and so’s if I don’t do these abortions so he was doing abortions because he said black children were going to end up on the government dole. That was clearly a race based abortionist and again, there were no consequences to him, even though he very clearly stated that his purpose was to abort black children to keep them off of the government dole.
Jacob Barr :
It’s.
Catherine Davis :
Abortion i know that’s a little hard to swallow.
Jacob Barr :
Yeah well it’s hard because it’s just it’s just devastating and it’s sad and it’s and it’s full of just it’s just hard it is it’s hard it’s and it’s hard because it’s just yeah, it’s full of tears and it’s just yeah, it’s full of hate that’s what it is. Abortionists that do that, that’s just it’s so yes, it’s evil. Is abortion more common among minorities, you think?
Catherine Davis :
I would say yes, given that only three to 4 % of the black community at any given point in time are women of childbearing age. And yet the CDC reports that at least 38 % of those abortions are on black women. So you’re talking about 3 % versus 38 %. And that is not all of the abortions because all of the states don’t report to the CDC their numbers by race, like California, Florida, Illinois, they don’t report the numbers of abortions that they’re doing by race. So I would submit that numbers probably higher and because of that it is disproportionately impacting the black community so it is more common I would say if you’re comparing ethnicities to find that black women are leading the charge so to speak and I believe it’s because they’re being targeted through the Negro project that is ongoing today.
Jacob Barr :
Yeah and I would agree with that makes sense to me as well and it feels, yeah, that the numbers don’t reflect even handedness when it comes to the abortion. Yeah who the abortion groups are providing services to. It’s not it’s not. It’s not a level distribution or something along those lines, right? Has abortion. Oh, your video might have just cut out. Let’s see.
Catherine Davis :
No, I’m still there or on my screen.
Jacob Barr :
I’m here, Yeah, let’s see. Oh, let’s see. Recording continues. Oh, I see. We might be fine it’s still recording. It’s just. Ok, that’s good. Yeah, it it’ll upload at the end. Ok, so is abortion more common? Oh, I just did that one sorry. Has abortion choice policy been overall more helpful or harmful for black people and black families?
Catherine Davis :
It’s hard to say that it’s more helpful or harmful based on skin color because it’s harmful for everybody without regard to what color your skin is but the impact has been greater, yes, because we now have a healthcare crisis in the black community that is directly connected to abortion, for example. There’s been hundreds of studies that document that there’s a link between premature birth rates and abortion and then the black community we have an extreme premature birth rate, which means that our wounds are no longer strong enough to carry our child until they can live outside the womb on their own. So we are miscarrying at earlier stages of pregnancy so that there’s no way the child can survive three months, four months, five months. We have an extreme premature birth rate today. There is a direct link between abortion and breast cancer there’s been hundreds of studies from the round the world, including China that document that link however, in the United States we rarely if ever talk about that link and or it will be denied by the CDC, the American Cancer Society and others that there is a link but that doesn’t refute all of the studies in the black community what the National Institute of Health and the American Cancer Society and others will tell you is that black when black women get breast cancer, they are more likely than less likely going to die from that breast cancer. So it impacts us more severely. We tend to get the more insidious kind of breast cancer, like triple negative breast cancer or inflammatory breast disease. So there has been a harmful impact of abortion policy, particularly as the abortion industry moves to make sure that abortion can be unrestricted. We have deaths happening in the black community from abortion, like Tonya Reeves in Chicago or Pre Irwin in Michigan. There are horror stories about these women who are being adversely impacted, but we don’t talk about that. The suicide rate among black teens is through the roof, and one of the contributing factors to suicide has been abortion. It’s been connected there are studies that document that and yet we don’t talk about that. So the overall impact to black families has been devastating because we’re not only losing the people who are being aborted in the womb, but in far too many instances, the moms are being impacted as well what’s the free answer then that’s went away?
Jacob Barr :
Oh, it’s probably just maybe not showing it based on bandwidth, but it’s still recording it it’ll upload in the end. That was a really good answer thank you for spending time to really yeah, answer that well, that was good. So some people argue that unequal outcomes prove that a policy slash practice is institutionally racist. In other words, if a policy hurts or helps one race slash ethnicity more than another more than others, then that policy is racist. Along this train of thought is abortion choice policy an example of institutional racism.
Catherine Davis :
I’m going to say yes, for a completely different reason. In my previous life I was a human resources professional i worked for Fortune 500 companies, the State of Georgia, the Commonwealth of Virginia, and one of the measures that we would use to see if a policy that was being implemented by the company or by the state was having an adverse impact was this thing called the 80 % rule. And so you did this mathematical formula to see how many people were being impacted by a specific policy like skin color. And if it didn’t meet the 80 % rule, it wasn’t a strong indication that the policy was having an adverse impact or was, quote unquote, racist. And we can absolutely prove that abortion in America has an adverse impact on the black community. It’s just so well documented and by virtue of the fact that organizations like Planned Parenthood have located more than 80 % of their abortion facilities within a two mile walking radius of a black or Latino neighborhood is just one of those indicators that it is abortion as they are implementing it is having a racist impact. In addition to that, I don’t know if people know, but in 2020 Planned Parenthood admitted that they are a systemically racist, white supremacist organization. Their words, not mine. And so when you take that into consideration, you have to say that even they recognize that the way they’re doing business has had an adverse impact on the black community and they openly told us without repercussion.
Jacob Barr :
If we wanted to find a citation for, you know, a record of what you know of them saying that what might we search for to find that citation?
Catherine Davis :
Just Google it was during the time it was June of 2020 when there was a big uproar about the Planned Parenthood in New York and 300 of their employees wrote an open letter declaring that Planned Parenthood had been operating in a racist fashion. And it was around the time that they decided to take Margaret Sanger’s name off of their building the flagship Planned Parenthood in New York. If you start with that, then you can find that information as well as many of their affiliates around the country also acknowledge that how they were doing their business in whatever state they were in, that it was racist and systemically racist and white supremacist. It’s easy to find. It’s not hidden yep.
Jacob Barr :
Now that’s, but if you want to.
Catherine Davis :
You can get the links from it.
Jacob Barr :
Yeah, it’s I yeah, I probably won’t include the answer, but I just wanted to know where to look for it so that I could. Yeah, we could. We could add that as a citation. We’ll probably be able to find a news story i’ll just send you it. Oh, perfect. I’ll send you a couple of links that’s good that’s.
Catherine Davis :
Good i will. I will. Ok.
Jacob Barr :
Let’s see the next question. So some people let me start that one over. Some people call abortion in America a black genocide. Is this overstating slash misrepresenting the case?
Catherine Davis :
Absolutely not it is a genocide we are no longer having enough children to reproduce ourselves. In order for blacks to remain, somewhere between 12 and 14 % of the population is what they report we are today. Every black woman of childbearing age would have to have 2 1 children. We are today having one point i believe it’s 1 6 today, and the Caucasian community’s having 1 8, so it is a genocide.
Jacob Barr :
Yeah. What are your how’s? How do you, if you you?
Catherine Davis :
Know let me let me wrap up one second expand.
Jacob Barr :
A little bit, yeah tell me more about your thoughts on the phrase black genocide tell me more about that.
Catherine Davis :
If you look up the definition of genocide as it was defined by the Nuremberg trials, they gave a very specific definition of what you would call a genocide. And a part of that definition talked about taking measures to eliminate or control one or more ethnicities, right? So if you look at the definition and then you measure what has been done by Planned Parenthood, NARAL and other organizations across America, you will see that we meet that definition of genocide very easily meet it so not just saying about the replacement rate, but according to the definition of what a genocide is.
Jacob Barr :
That makes sense from what you understand. Was Martin Luther King Junior, pro-life pro-choice or something else?
Catherine Davis :
Considering that I didn’t know the man personally, it’s kind of difficult for me to answer that however, I do know his niece, Doctor Alveda King, and she has reportedly stated that not only was he pro-life but their entire family was pro-life according to her. And I have no reason to doubt that she’s telling the truth about her family, that he would have been very much on the pro-life spectrum to have he lived to be, to see life today.
Jacob Barr :
And actually, I’ve planned on, I’ve invited Doctor Avita King to also ask these same questions to her. And so, yeah, that’ll be a good one for her to speak to. Yes oK, so some people argue that abortion choice helps reduce inequalities for underprivileged people. Does abortion reduce poverty, Slash inequality slash injustice? I don’t see how.
Catherine Davis :
You know, it’s really sad because when most people think of the black community in particular, we tend to be thought of as being poor, underprivileged, needing some support from someone. But if you look at the actual numbers of black people who are in poverty, you will find that only 22 % of those who are in poverty are black, 78 % of us are not in poverty. And abortion hasn’t done nothing to equalize the injustices to diminish poverty amongst black people it has done nothing except eliminate us from the culture. And in fact, abortion in itself is unjust because it has been used as a tool to control the black birth rate openly, and they are succeeding in diminishing the number of black people that are being born today. And in communities like New York City, more black babies are aborted than are born alive. So I don’t see how that’s done anything to bring about equality or to diminish poverty. So that’s just an untrue statement.
Jacob Barr :
Yep thank you for entering that. So abortion clinics predominate in black slash minority communities. What does this say about the abortion industry?
Catherine Davis :
It says that the abortion industry is exactly who they said they are. Planned Parenthood is the leading abortion provider in this nation and they have told us openly as we discussed before that they are white supremacist organization that is systemically racist and they have deliberately placed their abortion facilities within a two mile walking radius of a black or Latino community. And in fact, in a in a Creative Loafing article here in the metro Atlanta area a few years ago, Planned Parenthood had put a new center on Moreland avenue and. If anyone ‘s ever been to Atlanta, you will know that Moreland avenue is in the heart of the Black Atlanta community. And they when asked the question, how did they determine where to put that new clinic? They told you that they went to the Rollins School of Public Health and gave them their specific criteria and they use that criteria to identify the best location. Well, the best location was right off of 20, Highway 20 in the heart of the black community so at some point I’m going to ask the rolling school of what criteria they were given, because I believe it will show that they specifically gave criteria that would cause them to choose a community where they were going to reach the lion’s share of black people.
Jacob Barr :
Yeah, that makes sense. That would be a good report to ask for you may not provided or maybe they don’t have it anymore, but that would be really good to inquire about. Some people claim so yeah so some people claim that the biggest problem black family the sorry, I’m tongue tied. I missed what that one over Some people claim that the biggest problem black families face is absent fathers. Others say that’s a myth or that the bigger underlying problem is corruption slash racism in the justice system. More specifically, the justice system is targeting black men to pull them away from their families and put them in jail. It’s effectively creating the new Jim Crow. Who’s telling the truth here and how does this impact abortion rates in black homes?
Catherine Davis :
I think both of those things are true and we have to look at what how did we get here? There was a concerted effort to remove not just black dads, but men from out of the family in fact, if you go back and look at some of the organizational information for the National Organization of Women, they said very quick clearly that their goal was to destroy the American family by destroying the American patriarch. And they were going to destroy the American patriarch by destroying his power through destroying monogamy, through homosexuality, Eroticism, prostitution and promiscuity. So the National Organization of Women deliberately sent men into our communities to get the fathers out of the home in the black community the government assisted in that effort by sending a hundred thousand social workers into the black community to deal with what they called the two Prouds. And the two Prouds were the dads who were saying we don’t need government assistance, we can take care of families ourselves. And so if you look at welfare policy in just about every state in the union, they said you couldn’t have a man in the home in order to get government assistance. So you had a perfect storm, if you will, that collided with President Nixon’s population control agenda, where his Council on Population recommended zero population growth, and he basically said that abortion policy in America would allow the little black bastards, his words not mine, to be aborted. So this perfect storm collided and came together at the same time in the late sixties and early seventies and. We launched a program to destroy the family while controlling the birth rates of those that we considered dysgenic and yes, if you go back in history and look at the incarceration policies that have been implemented in this nation, you will see that consequences applied to the black community were greater for the same crime than the white community so we ended up with more black men being incarcerated for the very same crimes that their Caucasian counterparts may have committed as well. So both are true. And this the racism of the abortion industry, coupled with the eugenic population control efforts as well as the criminal justice efforts, all came together in what you could call a perfect storm that destroyed the family and that was especially true in the black community.
Jacob Barr :
Wow another thank you for all these really thoughtful answers these are yeah, I can tell you really know you know I’m really glad you’re on this on the podcast and sharing this and I’m really excited to see this get paired up into this new exhibit to. Yeah, to essentially help inform people of really the state of abortion and racism. This is really good. So Black Lives Matter. Blm has raised mixed feelings among black people in America. We can all grant that racism still exists and there is plenty of work still to be done to heal racial animosity, to hold authorities accountable like police courts, etcetera, and to address other race based problems in America. Nevertheless, BLM has also aligned with certain progressive and left wing political causes including abortion choice policy and dismantling the western nuclear family. What exactly is BLM and what are your thoughts on BLM in relation to family and abortion policy?
Catherine Davis :
You trying to get me in trouble?
Jacob Barr :
Black lives matter if you want to. If you want.
Catherine Davis :
To skip one No, it’s OK. Black Lives Matter was never about the black community other than to continue the destructive forces that have been pointed towards the black community for decades now. It was never about equality or justice or any of those things and actually, if you look at what happened immediately following George Floyd’s death, it was mostly white people who were going into black neighborhoods in the name of Black Lives Matter and destroying neighborhoods and communities it wasn’t black people doing that. Black Lives Matter was definitively against all of the values that you typically hear attributed to the black community. They were anti family. The organization was headed by lesbians who raised multiple billions of dollars in the name of black lives but spent not one cent of that money on improving black lives in any community anywhere in the country. They enriched themselves and they allowed other organizations like Antifa to use their names to wreak havoc and destruction. But there was never a positive outcome related to Black Lives Matter it was an organization that was used to promote a extremely liberal political narrative in the name of the black community. But it had nothing to do with Black Lives nothing i can’t point to one thing, and I hope somebody one day will tell me one positive thing that came out of Black Lives Matter.
Jacob Barr :
Yeah thank you, French. That’s yeah, that makes sense. In your opinion, what’s the biggest misconception that minorities tend to believe about abortion?
Catherine Davis :
Jacob, are you there?
Jacob Barr :
Are you there, Catherine?
Catherine Davis :
Jacob, there you are.
Jacob Barr :
Oh, there you are oK, you’re back oK, I’ll do that one more time. In your opinion, what’s the biggest misconception that minorities tend to believe about abortion?
Catherine Davis :
That abortion is a civil right. The abortion industry spent billions of dollars promoting A narrative that somehow abortion was a civil right in akin to Equal Employment or equal opportunity housing or any of the other truly realistic civil rights that was so strongly and hard fought for in the sixties And it’s not, it is not a civil right it is, if anything, a civil wrong that has lent itself to the destruction of the very community that it claims it is providing a right to. And I think that’s the biggest hurdle that pro lifers have to help overcome is this misconception that somehow abortion is helping the black community rather than harming the black community.
Jacob Barr :
Yeah, thank you for that too. Yeah, these are such good answers. What would you like to say about racism and abortion that you were not asked about?
Catherine Davis :
Alan Guttmacher You know, we talk a lot about Margaret Sanger and the Negro Project, but we rarely, if ever, talk about Alan Guttmacher and his leadership of the Planned Parenthood organization when Margaret Sanger died. But Alan Guttmacher was the father of abortion on demand in America. It was under his leadership that the Comstock laws were eliminated. In our country, it used to be illegal for a doctor to prescribe birth control because it was considered immoral. And Guttmacher had one of his medical directors of the Planned Parenthood in New Haven, connecticut, which I happen to be from Connecticut. He had Estelle Griswold to have her medical director distribute birth control to married women. And so they did that, and the case ended up making its way to the Supreme Court. And that was the very first time that the court began to define a woman’s right to privacy in her womb was that she had a right to decide on birth control. And then seven years after the Griswold V Connecticut case in 1972 there was a second case called Eisenstadt V Baird. And in that case, the Supreme Court said single women had a privacy right to abortion to, I’m sorry to birth control, a privacy right in her womb. And then the very next year, they use those cases to, in 1973 do Roe V Wade based on this constitutional right to privacy that actually is not in the Constitution, but they use that, and Alan Guttmacher was the author of that initiative. In addition, he single handedly redefined health to include a woman’s psychological health so that if a woman said she was stressed out by being pregnant or afraid because she was pregnant, then she could then use that excuse to terminate her pregnancy. And I think it’s very important that we recognize for years Planned Parenthood denied that Margaret Sanger was pro abortion. I happen to believe that probably was true. She was pro birth control, but you didn’t have a lot of information or writings of hers that specifically identify abortion as a tool or an instrument to carry out her eugenic agenda. But you did have that with Alan Guttmacher. I mean, there’s evidence he went into a ward because back then we still had segregation and saw all these black women having babies and he decided, yeah, we have to be able to do something about this because they’re having way too many babies. And I think people need to understand that the Guttmacher Institute is a statistical arm of Planned Parenthood. But they also were Guttmacher was the leader that led us into the era of abortion as we understood it under Roe V Wade. And so I think it’s very important that we give credit where credit is due and recognize how evil a man he was and how much harm he has done to our nation.
Jacob Barr :
Well said. Well, Catherine, I have really enjoyed. Yeah, talking to you again and hearing these very intelligent and, well, just incredible answers to difficult questions. In my opinion these are, these are hard questions to answer, complex questions. And so thank you for taking these on. Would you to wrap this up, would you say a prayer and just we can close in a prayer this won’t be part of the museum piece, but just for the people who listen to the podcast, I can listen to this sure prayer at the end.
Catherine Davis :
Sure, Father we just come before your throne and Thanksgiving. You are awesome and amazing and you order our steps and how awesome is this that you ordered our steps to come together today to talk about this issue that has wreaked so much evil and havoc in our communities. But you’ve given us this opportunity to discuss it and discuss it openly and in a way that may change someone’s mind. Father, we pray that those who listen to this podcast will find some ammunition that they can use to dissuade a woman from taking the life of her child in the womb. We pray that you would multiply, Lord our efforts and that this message would get out far and wide so that people understand the real evil that abortion is and that they will yield themselves not to the evil one, but to you. And we can come together to end this, forge the greatest crime against humanity in our nation once and for all. We thank you for this time and we give you all the praise, glory and honor. In Jesus name we pray. Amen amen.
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