Listen to Dr. Joe Malone and Jacob Barr talk about how a young woman’s sexual behavior impacts her future health.
Summary
This is Jacob Barr, and I recently had an enlightening conversation with Dr. Joe Malone on the Pro-Life Team Podcast. Our discussion revolved around how a young woman’s sexual behavior affects her future health, particularly in relation to reproductive cancers.
Dr. Malone, with his extensive background in women’s wellness and sexual health, emphasized the significance of sexual behavior patterns and lifestyle choices on women’s long-term health. He pointed out the increased risks of vaginal, cervical, ovarian, uterine, and breast cancers associated with early promiscuity, delayed childbearing, and minimal or no breastfeeding.
The conversation highlighted the natural processes in a woman’s body during pregnancy and breastfeeding and how they contribute to reducing the risk of cancer. Dr. Malone explained that interrupting these natural processes, particularly through abortion, can have adverse effects on a woman’s health. He noted that abortions, especially in early pregnancies, disrupt the development of cancer-resistant cells in breast tissue.
We also discussed the societal shift from traditional childbearing practices to the current trends of delayed marriages and childbearing, and fewer pregnancies. Dr. Malone stressed that these modern trends contribute to the increased prevalence of reproductive cancers in women.
The podcast touched upon the ongoing debate about the link between abortion and breast cancer, with Dr. Malone referencing reputable research supporting this connection. He also addressed the importance of a natural lifestyle, including getting married young, having children young, and breastfeeding, in promoting women’s health.
Our conversation concluded with insights into how pregnancy help centers and wellness centers can educate and support young women in making healthier lifestyle choices, particularly regarding their sexual health.
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Transcript
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Jacob Barr :
Welcome to the pro-life Team Podcast i’m Jacob Barr i’m here with Doctor Joe Malone, and today we’re going to be talking about how a young woman’s sexual behavior effects her future health. So Doctor Joe, I’m excited to have you on the Pro-life Team Podcast again. For those who haven’t heard the previous episodes, would you introduce yourself as if you were talking to a group of pro-life Leaders or Prancy Clinic Executive Directors?
Dr. Joe Malone :
Yeah i’d be glad to Jacob and thanks for having me. I came to the pregnancy care movement probably three years ago now so i’m a newcomer relatively came because I’m very interested and really have a background in pregnancy unwanted pregnancy prevention so ran a women’s Wellness program at a university here in Tennessee. And so I learned a lot about the situation from that but again, they started sharing with me at some point about their really bad experiences with something they called the hook up culture, which caught my attention and I started realizing that they needed a lot of help in the relationships rather than just their traditional, you know, Wellness factors like exercise and nutrition so my focus shifted to sexual Wellness and particularly young women’s sexual Wellness, and I ended up getting my PhD specialized in that so that’s how I came to this. Again, for all of you folks out there that are interested in prevention, i’m your guy.
Jacob Barr :
Awesome yeah and thanks for being here. So I want us to I’d like to ask you, how does a young woman’s sexual behavior affect her future health?
Dr. Joe Malone :
Well, that’s a great question, Jacob and really that’s what helped the focus, really the heart of my, I guess you’d call it ministry my research and my efforts is really all around because this is one of the main things that brought me into this specialty and into this field was realizing how this behavior pattern or this lifestyle, this Wellness lifestyle that could either be developed or not developed by girls and young women at the younger ages, really has a huge effect on their future health. And what I mean by that is women’s reproductive cancers are really a scourge amongst women. I’ll get into more of that later, but again, before this research, I didn’t realize that so many things that girls and young women can do in their behavior pattern and they’re either developing a sexual lifestyle that’s a Wellness oriented or not Wellness oriented and Wellness meaning you know, preventing problems before they happen rather than trying to fix them after the after they happen. It really make a big difference how they either implemented that or not. And interestingly enough, the behavior pattern really followed. But that’s the healthy behavior pattern the healthier really follows the biblical directives and mandates that you know, the types of things that were told in the Bible as far as chastity before marriage and that type of thing. Let me give you some examples and I’ll just walk us through some of the things I’m talking about when I go to my notes here. Early promiscuity leads to higher chances of vaginal and cervical cancer so starting from the outside of a woman, you know a young woman’s anatomy, being promiscuous, particularly at young ages, leads to much higher chances of vaginal cervical cancer over her lifetime. Another interesting thing, none or minimal number of pregnancies, and none or minimal breastfeeding over her lifetime raises her lifetime chances of developing ovarian and uterine cancer and again, I’ll go and get in the reasons for these later. So again working inside of her now again the idea of getting married younger, starting to have children, young babies younger, breastfeeding them, all the things that happened naturally before we had artificial birth control especially and before the our young people started delaying getting married and starting to have children so much has really affected again the women’s future reproductive cancer chances what’s going on delayed childbearing. So that means again like what we’re having now with our young women a lot of them being over 30 when they’re having starting to have their children delayed childbearing and fewer pregnancies so smaller number of children in the family raise the risk of the lifetime development of breast cancer and breast cancer is becoming outrageous as far as its the rate get into that more in a little bit here. So here’s a here’s a really interesting one. A woman who has her first child around the age of 20 has half the chance of developing breast cancer as a woman who has her first child around the age of 30. So I’ll say that again one more time. A young woman who has her first child around the age of 20, again presumably she’s getting married and having starting having her children you know along the lines of the in earlier years kind of more than normal ages around the age of 20 has half the chance of developing breast cancer as the woman who has her first child around the age of 30. So we’re getting a lot of young women who you know are just starting to even think about having children around. You know they’re just getting to the point where they’re trying to find a marriage partner at around age 30 and if you know, they may take them longer than I think to get married and then they start trying to have children and of course infertility starts, you know, peeking its ugly head at that point and I’ll get into that more later but let’s stick with the promiscuity. Another which is again a big part of my work is trying to promote sexual integrity And again particularly among women because again that’s my background but also women are much more at risk for all these things than the than the men are. So a study out in 2020 out of UK that you know had 5000 over five thousand people part of it found that women with a with 10 sexual partners or more lifetime have a 91 % greater chance of being diagnosed with cancer than ones who have one or zero as far as you know, pre premarital sexual partners so once again, it became clear to me and my research that the traditional approach, the biblical approach, you know, is not only right ethically, but it’s also right scientifically and medically. Let me go on a few other points here and then we’ll I’ll stop and see if all this makes sense. Breast cancer, as I said earlier, has become a scourge in our society. It’s the number one most, I guess you’d say diagnosed cancer in the world it became that in the end of 2020 surpassing lung cancer and again only 99 % of the people that get breast cancer are women so we’re talking about basically one whole side of the population that’s really having this really hit them hard whereas only get 1 % of men end up getting breast cancer so again it goes along with this change in lifestyle pattern from the 19 probably fifties sixties early sixties back where you know nineteen sixty only 5 % of the population, 5 % of the births were being born out of wedlock so almost everybody was getting married and the percentages I don’t have in front of me right now, but they’re very high for 18 and over being married and that type of thing so that normal pattern of marriage starting to have children younger again. A woman’s peak fertility is from age 19 to 29 and then a man’s is from 24 to 26 but breast cancer has become, like I said, a scourge. And the bad news on that is that it’s much more deadly than the cancers that men get for instance, reproductive cancers like prostate cancer. The numbers are about the same for breast prostate and breast cancer as far as the numbers that are that people are getting them, males and females. But even though they’re about the same, women’s mortality rate with it is 40, five, 5 % more likely to die from the disease so these are serious serious issues for women as they age and most of those are from like most of the breast cancer deaths are from about 40 to about 60 so it’s not older women in most cases, it’s middle age or what we some people would consider younger. Another factor is that women have many more have the twice as many different places that they can get different sites they can get reproductive cancers there’s actually six of them, cervical, ovarian, uterine, vaginal vulver and breast cancer. Whereas men can only get it in three places, testicular, penile and prostate so if things are set up as far as women holding the bag, so to speak, on prom, promiscuous sex or casual sex or hookup culture or whatever you want to call it so what I’m trying to advise and educate young women particularly on is that this isn’t casual there’s nothing casual about it and there’s nothing that is probably rewarding other than the momentary feeling of having experienced it. But there are so many downsides and there’s so many reasons that not to do it. Our society Jacob now has 100 times more breast cancer than our ancestral society did so there’s a number of factors in addition to the what I what I’ve just mentioned, but let’s let me just give them to you real quick here in ancestral societies. The women again where they were naturally cycling, they were coming, they’re getting to menstruation later because they’re more active and had less body fat, which is a factor in our girls developing, you know, their periods for earlier, but they’re coming to menstruation later, let’s say 1819 and is it regularizing about that around that time period they were getting married around 2021 well, actually a lot of the women were getting married in their late teens and so they’re hitting that sweet spot as far as 19 to 29 being the peak fertility and again I believe God gives us messages through these things as far as you know the natural pattern there’s a, there’s a message for us there to follow it so and again the other factors that are involved in that is they were pregnant much more than our women are these days. So in our society, because of hormonal birth control, because of other methods of preventing pregnancy, the women on average have, well, I’ll give it to you, the ancestors first the ancestors had only about 160 cycles in their in their reproductive life and what meaning that they’re pregnant or breastfeeding on demand and the breastfeeding on demand keeps their cycle from starting so the natural way of being for women in our past, which is a long time, a lot of generations before us, was this, once you reach reproductive age and you get married again, marriage was much more common than it is now. Then the baby maybe making stage what was something that this went on throughout their reproductive life but a lot of people would look at that today and say, oh, that’s horrible you know, it’s terrible women didn’t have a chance to be, you know, astronauts or lawyers or doctors or whatever. And I agree that that’s important, that women have the opportunity to develop whatever they truly want to be but this whole factor of trying to ignore the way things have been for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of generations before us is really foolish, I believe so what happens is every time they have an A cycle and again we’re getting the ancestors had about one sixty, our women are getting around four fifty four hundred and fifty in their lifetime. So every time that they have a cycle the cells in their ovaries first of all a egg when it comes to maturation when it gets ripe, the one that is the one for that time it rips, it rips the ovary wall basically and leaves a scar and so that process leads to a greater chance of cancer. Also in the woman’s breasts every time there’s a every time there is a cycle period her breast tissue changes over. And so every time we have those higher levels of cell changes you raise the chances of a cancer developing so that’s probably one of the major factors right there other than the all the other things I’ve named as far as the promiscuity and the lower number of births and not breastfeeding and that type of thing that the fact that they’re just having they’re having so many more mistress cycles is a huge factor in it so all that said i’m going to stop and see if you have thoughts or questions. All that said it’s been a very unhealthy direction we’ve gone with our women. One other quick thing to for you to note that and we’ll get into how if you want how abortion effects all of this as well. Because I want to say that for you know kind of later in our talk in 1973 when Roe versus Wade was the ruling was made only about one in a thousand women were getting breast cancer. If you can believe that, you have any idea how what the percentage is now of women getting breast?
Jacob Barr :
I don’t know.
Dr. Joe Malone :
It was one in a, thousand yeah, it was one in a thousand 1973 It’s now one in eight.
Jacob Barr :
Oh, wow.
Dr. Joe Malone :
So it’s gone from one in a thousand in that much time and that’s short of a time period. So anyway i’ll stop there yeah are there any thoughts or questions you have on anything?
Jacob Barr :
I do have a question so what’s the difference between, Well i have a couple of questions one is it’s really interesting that the number of cycles is relevant and that being pregnant and breastfeeding reduces the number of cycles, which is reducing the impact of those cycles by yeah, through natural processes of breastfeeding. So one question I have on Elite, you know, saving the abortion topic for a little bit down the road here, what’s the difference between breastfeeding versus formula? How does formula impact a woman’s body and breastfeeding and cycles? So, like, if she decides to use formula instead of breastfeeding, what’s yeah? Can you can you talk about that scenario?
Dr. Joe Malone :
Yeah that’s a great question. Not only humans but most other mammalian species have the same mechanism that when the when the when the female is lactating and you know milk is being produced and they’re breastfeeding on demand where that where that infant or in our case infant but baby animal of some other type is coming and suckling on their nipple and that process there’s a whole chemical process that tells their ovulation system to stay shut down. It only it only lets off when that I guess you’d say that phenomenon that they’re experiencing with the breastfeeding on demand goes away now a lot of women have this and so they’re again, they remain infertile and that’s again not just us but most other mammals. It’s the same kind of system so it seems to be, in my opinion, it seems to be a system that God has put into us that is natural as far as when you have a really small baby, you know, and again, going back into our ancestral times, which has been most of the time that humans have been here, if you had that situation where you know, just had the baby and you were breastfeeding and then you got pregnant right away on top of it. First of all, the woman’s body isn’t ready for that after going through that. But secondly, it would be tough to be able to support you know, pregnancy plus you know, like a three or four month month old infant at the same time so to me it’s a wondrous system that God put into us, not only us, but I get many, maybe most of all of the other mammalian species so with infant formula again you’re not getting that, you’re not getting the interaction and that chemical process when a baby suckles on her on his, his or her mother’s breast, but a bunch of oxytocin is released and again oxytocin there’s something called prolactin. Again the pro and lactin lack lactating and prolactin particularly is an anti libido, anti testosterone and estrogen hormone because again as long as it’s strongly present in the system the her cycles not going to kick back into gear. An example of in the wild in other species. An unfortunate example how this is kind of circumvented is with some species of let’s say bear, let’s say let’s or say maybe orangutan or something along that chimpanzee. No not chimpanzee because they’re promiscuous but species that aren’t so promiscuous if they’re if an alpha male if there’s a new alpha male that defeats the old alpha male coming about with in the relationship. Oftentimes the alpha male the new alpha male will kill kill the young if there’s young you know like suckling type young of let’s say the bear and that will bring you know back the female bear back into heat into estrus but otherwise she won’t be in and she won’t go into estrus until that time where the where the bear cub gets weaned. So and how wild animals know that and know to do that, I have no idea but again, this is a really deep system that has been with us for a long time And again, with the way society has become where we can just kind of walk away from that, you know, create infant formula and you know, circumvent that system. That’s where you do get sometimes these pregnancies, you know, because when there isn’t on demand breastfeeding as you, I’m sure you know, and your listeners know, if it isn’t on demand, then you know that woman’s going to have a tendency to go back into normal sexual cycling and be and become fertile again so anyway, all that said, back in times in most of our history, times that were rougher as far as survival goes. These systems we’re talking about were wondrous as far as keeping things on the right track to be able to produce a healthy family a large, healthy family, if that makes.
Jacob Barr :
Sense yeah, that’s really interesting. So out of all these different cancers, what’s which ones are the, which is the most likely is it is it breast cancer, the most likely one for a woman to be at risk it with in these scenarios or yeah, which? How would you compare the different cancers?
Dr. Joe Malone :
Oh, it is now yes, it’s the leading female reproductive cancer. Leading as far as numbers go. The most deadly one still though, is the ovarian cancer again, those excess numbers of menstrual cycles where again, Every time let me give you the background on that. All females, all human females are they start out with about 7 million eggs, you know, in utero in their mother’s womb, and by the time they’re born it’s down to about 1 5 million. It’s a process of starting with all these eggs for their whole lifetime this is like their lifetime supply and the degrading, the degradation of them over their lifetime so 1 5 million when they’re born, by the time they get to puberty where they can actually use them, you know they’re down to about four hundred thousand three to four hundred thousand and then there’s several thousand each time they menstruate that are degraded. There’s only one that’s chosen to become the follicle to ripen and burst and then it makes its way down, the flick, the flip Fallopian tubes and you know the rest of the process and so the rip though that happens there again these eggs are getting older by the day as far as their age as far as things as far as raising the chances of chromosomal abnormalities or not and again the younger the better on that, but also that ripping of the ovary and scarring is also raising the chances of ovarian cancer and ovarian cancer is so deadly mostly because it’s you don’t find out about it until it’s too late that it doesn’t show symptoms until it’s too late so that’s a really scary one for women on the other hand to compare to the other sex. Again, this is I think very interesting and probably most of the people may know this, but the women’s side of things is of limited supply. By the way the egg cell is like 10 million times larger than the sperm cell. The egg cell’s the largest cell in the human body and the sperm cell’s the smallest cell in the human body because the egg cell is carrying with it a ton of nutrition to be able to get the pregnancy started once the union has started but on the male side of things so there’s a ton of ton of these sperm as you probably know already there’s been produced like 2 to 300 high 300 million sperm and one ejaculate and it’s being replaced at once that happens at 2000 sperm a second. So 2000 sperm a second are being are being manufactured by us males once that takes place. So it’s kind of like a conveyor belt so even though there is some factor to males aging as well because older male sperm has a higher chance of producing chromosomal abnormalities as well, but not nearly the same as females because over age 30 it really starts to rise as far as their again their eggs have been you know they’re as old as they are plus six months, six seven months so the sperm that the men are producing are just have are freshly made basically even if the man is older so there’s a much lower chance that he’s his age is going to be a factor on Down syndrome and things like that or a still birth or premature birth or down yeah. The other is a Down syndrome. There’s one other that I’m not thinking of right now but it’s like it’s like it’s like being oh miscarriage miscarriage so the woman’s age is a huge factor and most women don’t realize and kind of our society does a bad job about this that 30 is really starting to get. You know it’s getting late in late in the game so that we have a whole issue as I know you know Jacob, because we, I think we discussed it last time of they call it population collapse or demographic collapse or basically the idea is that people around the world in the developed countries are having less and less children. And because of that the numbers of older people, aging people are really growing and the age ages of young people, babies that first of all and then up into their you know really working life age is really declining so for instance South Korea is at 7 you have to have 2 1 you know to replace the population they’re at 7 and what they’re projecting is that well actually the present case is that for every people that are of grand grandparent age over there every 100 grandparents there’s only four grandkids. So we’re looking at in South Korea you’re looking at and if you even if you start you know right away start having trying to have babies more babies you’ve got a 20 year lag time there before they get up to where they’re you know able to be the kind of productive people in the of society that we need them to be so if you can see and that’s that is very common The only places in the world that aren’t don’t have declining and non replaceable non replacing birth rates is sub-Saharan Africa and they’re going that direction as well. They’re starting to go that direction as well so it’s rather than the population bomb that the you know the book in the nineteen sixties was putting fear in people’s minds about too many people on the planet. We’re ending up with not enough people and particularly the ones that we need the most, which are the ones that are the young ones that are going to be able to replace all of the older generations. So again that’s kind of a big that’s a lot of information there, but it’s important information and some information that most people don’t know. Any thoughts or questions?
Jacob Barr :
Yeah well yeah, thank you for explaining that that’s sort of, yeah i’m yeah, I’m very well interested in going into this next section to talk about abortion. And I’m sort of wondering what are the different classifications like there’s women who have never been pregnant, those who have been pregnant and breastfed, those who have been pregnant and decided to use formula so they’re breastfeeding was short lived and then there’s also those who got pregnant and then end up having an abortion at different stages in the pregnancy that’s going to impact their breasts getting partially prepared for breastfeeding but maybe not. Yeah so tell me, what are the different stages of, you know, when it comes to the different scenarios then maybe we can you can expand on the ones that seem to be most helpful. Ok.
Dr. Joe Malone :
Another excellent question. It’s hard to parse that out exactly. But what I would say to them, to the majority or early part of your question is you know again within reason the younger a woman can get married and I say emphasize marriage and you know marriage then childbearing a lot of the cases that’s that doesn’t work out that way either but marriage. And we can maybe talk about this in another episode but marriage really just acts in such a positive way to be secure add to the security particularly of the woman that it’s got many positive factors to it but so let’s presume earlier, marriage, let’s presume somewhere around 20. And then pregnancy, you know, soon thereafter, maybe 2122 again, doing that, choosing not to, not to bottle feed, but breastfeed. And then not too long after that, maybe three years, you know, three years total, maybe start having another child and then you know that process for three years. Breastfeeding for those, a lot of that three years of time in between. And then doing it again. All those things again really. Let’s put it this way, starting earlier, having babies again presuming being married, having many babies, breastfeeding them, all those things are extremely positive and take out any of the any of those that combination and you start raising breast, particularly breast cancer but then other all the other cancers I mentioned, you know, cervical, vaginal, ovarian, uterine in endometrial, all those are raised by not following that traditional pattern. A big one though is a big one is that is a numbers having lower numbers is a bit, is a big risk factor. And then of course breastfeeding kind of goes along with that but the age of having your first baby. Now this is important for women to hear and girls even to hear, because a girl or woman who has her first baby around 20, let’s say even right at 20, let’s say she was pregnant at 19, has half the chance, as I said probably earlier has half the chance of developing breast cancer as a woman that’s 30 or greater, you know, having her first child around 30. So having that first child earlier is a huge factor. A woman, you know, a woman that has several babies over the course of reproductive life again has a lower chance of particularly breast cancer. But a woman who waits till after 30 to have her first one this is this is kind of a crazy statistic but a woman who waits till after 30 to have her first baby her fourth first full term, you know pregnancy on baby actually has a higher chance than some that a woman who never has babies at all. So having being pregnant over 30 with your first baby, there’s something about that is it goes against the natural system of the body so again, looking back in our history and our ancestors, you know, pre 1845 and this is news to a lot of people too. But the hormone birth control, you know, invented in 1960 that’s famous, but it had a big impact but if you look at fertility rates, birth rates, you know, historically, let’s just take the United States well, you can take many countries in the world because the charts kind of show similar things in the different countries but especially in the United States, after about 1845 birth rate starts going down. Ok it was like around 7, seven children per average per woman. And it starts heading down on a pretty steep decline. And it has a couple of jumps because of the wars, like World War 2 it jumps up after World War 2 and the baby boom generation and it’s continued on down from there. Most people don’t realize that in 1845 Goodyear, yeah, the tire company got a patent for vulcanizing rubber and so from 1845 ish on the condom invention really came about kind of mid eighteen hundreds so that made a big difference as far as being able to prevent births as well going from 7 down to what it is now less than two. So it wasn’t just the hormonal birth control although that has been a big factor and we can have a whole other talk about the harms of hormonal birth control on women as well but we they will save that for another day. So there’s all of that plus abortion. You know, again abortions didn’t become overall legal until 1973 and we said that, you know, women’s chances of developing cancer in 1973 before Roe versus Wade were one in 1000 Now the chances of developing breast cancer is one in eight in a woman’s lifetime so not just our ancestral as we think of way back when which is again 100 they were 100 times less, more less likely, but you got this one in a thousand in nineteen seventy, three and then now it’s one in eight so if you want to, we can talk about how reproductive or how abortion has affected it.
Jacob Barr :
Yeah, I think that would be good to affect, you know, to talk about how abortion impacts the woman’s body. And yeah, and maybe in contrast to a pregnancy when someone’s in that 20 to 29 year old window and breastfeeding, that does sound like that would be good to explore.
Dr. Joe Malone :
Again, yeah. If you, if you think about it, Jacob, everything artificial we’ve been talking about, everything isn’t natural you know, from the process of again getting married and starting to have babies or the natural way just as it happens, everything that goes away and then breastfeeding them and having however many kind of God gives us, everything goes away from that raises cancer risk for a woman. But in particular I think and again this has been politically, you know, a political football as you know and a lot of our listeners will know for a long time. But and there’s been a lot of people trying to say that abortion doesn’t have anything to do with risk of cancer you know, reproductive cancers for women. But I think there’s just too there’s too much evidence, you know, going the other way so i’ll and the other thing is since 73 you know again the one in a thousand chance of breast cancer and for a woman and now that one in eight that’s a short amount of time relatively you know for that kind of a change to happen so basically and on abortion, the situation is that process, you know that natural process of becoming pregnant, carrying the pregnancy, giving birth and then breast breastfeeding in most cases that’s interrupted. And it’s really, you know, it’s it surprised me when I saw this research, but it’s all the way up to 32 weeks, which of course would be would be 8 months. So the pregnancies that are boarded up to 32 weeks, which would be almost all of them, have this effect of interrupting this natural cycle of the breasts, the breast tissue changing through again, this whole the whole process of the prolactin being increased in their bodies and other hormones falling. There’s a there’s a natural process that seems to be in place where the breasts over the course of the pregnancy while the babies in utero change their cells to cancer resistant cells more cancer resistant cells. And so if you interrupt that process again all these are natural processes that we’re interrupting by. You know man made artificial means. When you interrupt that process they don’t become the cancer resistant cells if they would have been and again, particularly if the woman has her baby, her first baby closer to 20 and not so close to 30, the process seems to really be messed up if she waits, you know to have the baby if he doesn’t abort the first baby and she aborts one of some of the subsequent babies is not as much effect as well. So it’s aborting the baby, particularly a first pregnancy, which is probably statistically, I don’t have the stats on this, but you or some of your listeners probably do, probably much more likely to the first baby to be aborted than later babies. That’s really the most dangerous one as far as starting this anti protective process. So there’s a there’s a automatic prevention process cellularly and biochemically in a woman’s body if she’s generally following the natural process of having a baby and probably having it again pre 20 age 25 as opposed to you know post 30 and that type of thing and again if she just if she carries out the process the pregnancy process there’s this automatic change in her breast cells to make them cancer resistant as opposed to the ones where the pregnancy is interrupted. So that’s something that they don’t want young women to know because again it’s supposed to be all about you know their health and well-being the women who are having the abortions but this is one other factor and because there’s been such a resistance and a unwillingness to research this strongly there’s a there’s a ton I think of research on it that is showing that that’s the case so that the lesson there is you break the process that God has put in place that radically and again there’s going to be a price to be paid paid for probably down the line. Now all of these you know for any of your listeners that are listening and might be getting scared, you know from this these are just raised percentages as far as nobody. Nobody for sure is going to for sure get cancer. No woman listening to this that you know didn’t breastfeed her babies, had her first baby, you know, 35 There’s going to be the exception is all these rules. It’s just that you don’t want to necessarily raise your chances and your risk of it if you don’t have to. Plus again, that more natural lifestyle that getting married younger, having babies younger again speaks to and addresses the issue of the demographic collapse. But it also having more babies helps your children to have the social group that humans have generally. You’ve grown up with in the past where they have several siblings and there’s the effects of having just one or two children one in many cases on a child you know in their future haven’t been really researched well but I my feeling is that it won’t be positive as compared to having three or four you know siblings as it was common or even more in the past. My grandfather was a child he had like he had there was there was eight of them eight siblings in the family so and that again that was very common so that’s just back two generations from me. So when I look at things Jacob, this has been my experience in my life, you know, personally my personal experience, but then even more so in my research that any time we go from away from the natural lifestyle, so natural lifestyle i’ve been describing you know, pre condoms, free hormonal birth control and more to the Catholic idea of you know, marriage is about unitive and procreative and being well-being open to life and that type of thing that is more the natural I think human way and the natural way that got it to things for things to be for us. And there’s there are health rewards to that i guess it’s what I’m what I’m saying, it’s what I’ve observed. So any other questions or thoughts on that?
Jacob Barr :
So they’re the opposition or you know, the abortion industry, Planned Parenthood, Certain people essentially say that abortion does not contribute towards breast cancer. And there’s a very strong narrative that anyone who says there’s a link between abortion and breast cancer is pushing an agenda. Meanwhile, there’s also the AACR Journal it’s a medical journal that’s published a medical study that shows that, you know, the, you know, abortion increases the risk factor of breast cancer. Yeah so essentially one side is saying it’s. You know, the pro abortion side essentially is saying that it’s not open for debate it’s closed. It’s, you know, it’s not worth looking at it’s this is all, you know, essentially saying that we’re not even in discussions meanwhile we’re saying the opposite i suppose that yeah, it’s connected. We have scientific evidence, there’s data there’s studies. And so by putting those two together, it’s obviously not a closed debate, but one side doesn’t even want to debate or talk about it. And so that’s been my experience is that they’re essentially saying, you know, this is no longer a discussion, essentially just trying to silence the opposition by saying that the opposition doesn’t really exist, I suppose, or that there is no discussion to have what, you know, what have you seen when it comes to data and that connection between abortion and breast cancer?
Dr. Joe Malone :
Well same as you and again the political climate that we’re going through right now any anything that goes against the narrative that the, that the mainstream media and just general, the power elites in the country are trying to put across is not met with it with you know a fair discussion or a fair hearing so and right off the bat what you’re describing there, you know, makes my sense of there’s something wrong here go up but to add to the group that you mentioned, there’s also a real responsible group called the American College of Pediatricians. So the American College of Pediatricians, there’s another group of pediatricians that have a different name that I can’t bring up, I’m gonna bring to mind, but they would be along the lines of what you’ve been describing. There’s nothing to see here you know the research is inconclusive and that type of thing. And so in addition to that there’s a there’s a very reputable group of the American College of Pediatricians who’s done research some of the research that I was citing about the pre 32 weeks adverse effects and the fact that some of the other research that they’ve observed they’ve noticed that it’s been cherry picked and the data that they’ve seen being used by these other groups. It hasn’t actually been you know scientific it hasn’t been actually fairly fairly weighed in the in the in the long run so like so many things, I think in our society right now, there’s a very skewed picture coming at us from so many different angles and so many different around sexuality, especially so many elements of sexuality I think that have inaccurate science that’s being professed. And again, my experience is that in the more legitimate research studies the last 10 years maybe or so a lot of it hasn’t gotten funded because again there’s a political, I think, bent to what gets funded right now and what doesn’t. So and again the people who fund sometimes if it’s not government funding then you know the private agencies that fund it, they’re looking for a particular outcome as well so to answer your question, I think there’s reputable people that are adding abortion as a risk factor into that line, that whole line of risk factors that I’ve explained up to this point, all of which are unnatural. I mean when you when you when you look at everything, they all have that in common they’re unnatural from the way the pattern of the past. So you know, I think that we’ve been kind of lulled into sleep on all this, maybe not about abortion but the rest of it as far as, you know, my wife and I came up during the time where they said, OK, two children, you know, you want to have two children you want to use hormone birth control. That’s the smart thing to do you know, you can be rich you know, if you nobody, everybody should be able to be rich in America if they just have limited two children and besides, your women are on, it’s bad for them to have more than more than two children, bad for them, ruins their bodies, makes them unhealthy, that type of thing. And you know, I literally as a fitness professional, I experienced the opposite because I had these. This is just empirical. This is empirical, yeah but it’s also anecdotal. But it goes along with what we’re talking about. I had the two healthiest women I ever trained as a personal trainer that were in their 40 ish forties to early fifties. Each had eight kids and again this is the nineteen nineties early two thousands and this is I was still I’m still thinking along the lines of more than two kids for a woman ruins them, ruins their body, ruins their health. Well, there’s quite a lesson for me in that I had one that was a Catholic, she had eight children and the other one was a Mormon that had eight children. And actually they were a lot healthier than a lot of the women that I was training that were in their twenties. So I realized right then anecdotally that this thing that this urban myth, you know, of going around about women in our society, you know, being ruined if they have more than two children, boy, that’s a is that off, you know, with these ladies so they were just perfect examples of that so now again, you look back in your family history, one thing you see the, you know, my little I can picture my little grandmother, great grandmother, I guess because she’s the, she’s the mother of my grandfather little this little woman with like these eight kids surrounding her and she looks as prim and proper as you could imagine she’s in great shape. You know she’s a little woman she’s not carrying extra, extra fat. You know, like they’re so common these days. She isn’t she isn’t struggling with obesity. And I think just what I’ve observed in my in my work, as you can tell but then also in the research is that putting women’s bodies through this cycle is really healthy for them. Getting pregnant, you know running through the cycle, breastfeeding, you know, then getting pregnant maybe three years time lapsing between the two. It’s kind of what women’s bodies were. I mean not kind of i mean it’s as you start thinking about it, women’s bodies are made for this. So at least most of them. So when you don’t do it, when you don’t follow that pattern, when you radically change it and probably abortion is the most radical change of all of it, you’re not you’re asking for trouble. You’re asking for trouble in most cases, not every case there’s going to be women that go through this and have you know they don’t do anything that we said that are positive. They have an abortion and they’re not going to ever have a. They’re never going to develop any reproductive cancers. But there’s going to be a lot more that do. There’s going to be a on a population basis there’s going to be a lot more that do and by raising the risks that they by their behavior their they call it young women’s Wellness lifestyle you know what’s your what’s your Wellness lifestyle young woman and being told like they’re being told on the college campuses these days and through society tik tok whatever you want to name that casual sex you know, for one thing is good for you know and all you got to do is I ran into some down in one of the universities I was I was at that their philosophy was, you know, living a casual sex lifestyle, a hookup lifestyle and then they were good they’re going to be a good health practitioners take care of the health but they’re going to get checked you know, for STD’s every I think two months, you know two three months at this sexual Wellness Center that I happen to be giving you talks at and that type of thing and the sexual Wellness Center was, you know, there are people like us that realize that isn’t the lifestyle that you want to have but they were able to, these folks in the pregnancy help movement were able to, who are running this, were able to reach out to these young women and have some conversations with them and talk with them and so on one hand, it’s good they were thinking that way because they’re coming into these centers, these sexual Wellness centers. On the other hand, again, the thought process that have been taught to be going to them to think that this is the thing they need to do to have a healthy sexual you know sexual Wellness practice, sexual Wellness habits, they’re way far off on that so in our society, we’ve gone so far off the rails, especially when it comes to young women’s lifestyle and pretty particularly their relational or sexual lifestyle that, you know, we’ve got a long way to come back and I. But I think that it that is an admirable, if you’re listening to me out there, pregnancy center director, you know and you maybe have one of these sexual Wellness centers, maybe you’re near a college campus, a university campus and that’s all on purpose. That’s a wise move and I’m a guy that can come and help you with your staff to learn a lot about sexuality, heterosexuality that will help them to counsel, you know, these young women that they’re dealing with so it’s a it’s a wise approach. And there’s these young women again, particularly the ones that are they see themselves as being, you know, responsible and being sex, having good sexual Wellness habits by doing this check, but still, you know, living the sex, the active, sexual, casual sexual life. But since they’re that’s where they’re at and that’s the lifestyle that they’re in. I think this approach of having pregnancy help center that may be right on the campus or very near the campus that is for the actual when they’re already pregnant. You know, in dealing with that situation of trying to help them not to make the decision to have an abortion, but then having this other preventive branch, this sexual Wellness Center or sexual Health Center that really doesn’t say anything about, you know, abortion or anything like that i think that’s a wise move these days but it’s also kind of sad that we have to have that we come to that point.
Jacob Barr :
Well.
Dr. Joe Malone :
So.
Jacob Barr :
Yeah, I really appreciate you sharing, you sharing this insight on just the benefits of living certain, you know, having certain behaviors, living a certain having certain sexual integrity, you know, keeping sex within marriage, limiting certain behaviors or restraining them to be within marriage and how that impacts someone, someone’s health, someone’s Yeah, long term health or avoiding cancers
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